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May 27, 2022, 08:23 PM | #26 |
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May 27, 2022, 08:27 PM | #27 | |
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June 2, 2022, 03:55 PM | #28 |
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Subject drift . . .
I thought of this post today at the range. Why? Because as soon as I got there, I found about 30 pcs of like-new Starline - yes, Starline - 357 Magnum brass. I collected them for sure.
Somewhat coincidental, considering today's trip to the range was with one of my 357 Magnums (686+ 3"). And yes, all my ammo was with Starline brass. Who dumps Starline brass? Could have been a factory boutique brand that used Starline, I suppose. I have seen that before (I think Buffalo Bore??)
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June 2, 2022, 04:48 PM | #29 |
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OK... I was going to wait until I had both cast & jacketed... but what the heck:
Last Saturday: Two Notes: - Plain Base (even beveled) handled > 30,000psi w/ Powder Coat (shaken, not stirred) - Both grouped 3/4-7/8" at 50Yds (Lyman Aperture/Tang sight) PostEdit: Make the case volumes grain/H2O (not cc). sorryboutthat. . Last edited by mehavey; June 3, 2022 at 08:17 AM. |
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I only pick up 38special and 357 now. The single thing I love most about shooting my 586 is dumping those spent cases into my carry pouch and dont have to hunt for them in the dang grass. |
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June 4, 2022, 10:05 AM | #31 | |
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These days, it's rare to find revolver brass on the ground at the range. When I first started shooting (1983), I went to a range where nobody cleaned up - it was a mess. There was 38 and 357 brass all over the ground. 9mm was fairly common too (and some 45 ACP), but not as much as the revolver stuff. Times have changed. At that time, if I wanted more cases, I'd just bring a coffee can with me and fill 'er up. It was that easy.
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June 8, 2022, 12:11 PM | #32 | |
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June 8, 2022, 02:52 PM | #33 |
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Properly Labeled (and controlled) I don't see the same level of concern.
As to "... a shooting buddy or your kids grab[ing] some ammo from the "wrong box" ..., that is a violation of BOTH conditions. Note below: The Label above goes on the box. Darwin in in charge of Reading what's written |
June 8, 2022, 02:58 PM | #34 | |
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.357 brass is longer which usually (not always) prevents it from seating into a .38 Special chamber, however most .357 rounds would otherwise fit into a .38 Special cylinder without tying up the gun. |
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June 8, 2022, 06:07 PM | #35 | |
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The problem happens when you DON'T have complete and proper control. No one intended to lose control but sometimes, despite the best intentions and all precautions it happens. I see loading .357 level ammo in .38 Special cases as a risk no one needs to take. Feel free to disagree...
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June 8, 2022, 06:13 PM | #36 |
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With the Lyman 358156 and NOE bullets that have a upper and lower crimp groove ... if you load the bullet in a 38 special case and crimp it in the lower crimp groove the shoulder is now at the same place as if loaded in a 357 magnum case and crimped in the upper crimp groove .
It was designed this way for a reason ... So loaded , 38 special case , #358156 crimped in the lower crimp groove ... that round is too long to chamber in a 38 Special chamber . If not ...how many fools would have blown up 38 special handguns with these loads ? Lyman still catalogs this bullet design and I've never even heard of a lawsuit ... Load up a few and check it out they don't chamber in my S&W model 64 - 38 special ... the bullet shoulder stops it from chambering ... also looking at the loaded round sorta tips you off ... bullet sticking out of the case ...it's long ! Gary |
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First, just WHO are they going to sue?? No manufacturer warranties their gun with reloaded ammunition. And for the very reason here, the maker has no control over what the user puts in the gun. No point in suing the ammo manufacturer when its a handload that you made and put into your gun.... Can't sue the component makers or reloading data providers, they all have warnings, disclaimers and instructions on how to proceed safely, and especially because you have no proof that you correctly followed them, only your word and since you have financial interest in the lawsuit, your word alone isn't enough to prove you aren't at fault and they are... Bottom line, if you made the handload and it damages your gun or you, You and only you are the party at fault. If a factory load does it, you may have a case against the ammo maker and possibly the gun maker but if its your handload, you don't.
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Possibly why I wouldn't be allowed on a jury....
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