NON-gun Lowers

TimW77 · November 23, 2019, 12:59 AM

I am looking for something like a "Blue gun" or "Red gun" AR-15 lower...

BUT...

Want to be able to install a real/actual AR-15 upper on this safe NON-gun lower...

Obviously NOT for shooting...

TW

kymasabe · November 23, 2019, 01:29 PM

Maybe an 80% lower?

raimius · November 24, 2019, 06:19 PM

So, to clarify, do you need something that cannot fire, or is by legal definition not a firearm?

TXAZ · November 24, 2019, 09:25 PM

Is this a possible disaster waiting to happen?
What’s wrong with a $60 blue glock or $150 Blue AR?

TimW77 · November 24, 2019, 11:53 PM

"...do you need something that cannot fire, or is by legal definition not a firearm?"

BOTH...

Not to be fired (with no internals, can't fire) and NOT a "firearm"...

TW

TimW77 · November 24, 2019, 11:56 PM

"What’s wrong with a $60 blue glock..."

Duh, obviously NOT, an AR-15...

TW

taylorce1 · November 25, 2019, 10:16 AM

So what's wrong with a blue AR-15?

TrueBlue711 · November 25, 2019, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Maybe an 80% lower?

This is probably your best bet. And then paint it the color of your choice to show it's an inert lower.

emcon5 · November 26, 2019, 12:29 AM

Why do you ant to reinvent the wheel? https://www.alternateforce.net/bluegun-m4.html

P-man · November 28, 2019, 11:27 AM

Do you still want to be able to work the bolt? Hence, the need to be able to use the real upper...

TimW77 · November 29, 2019, 09:35 AM

"Do you still want to be able to work the bolt?"

NOTHING NEEDS to FUNCTION except the ability to attach the upper and lower...

TW

cslinger · November 29, 2019, 11:43 AM

Out of curiosity what is your specific use / what’s the why of it?

An airsoft AR15 trainer might meet your needs?

emcon5 · November 29, 2019, 12:33 PM

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Colored gun ? am i reading this correctly ?

Inert training props.

https://www.blueguns.com/

What he wants exists as I linked above, No idea why he wants to reinvent the wheel, and make his own.

TimW77 · November 29, 2019, 05:58 PM

"What he wants exists as I linked above..."

Might want to reread what I want and what is shown in the link...

Because NO, what I want is NOT listed under that link...

"No idea why he wants to reinvent the wheel..."

Reread what was written, not trying to reinvent anything, trying to find WHAT I NEED...

"...and make his own."

Duh, have no idea where you came up with me wanting to make my own, want to know WHERE TO FIND item that meets my needs!!!

TW

Sharkbite · November 29, 2019, 07:54 PM

Hmmm...
The ability to swap your upper, with your optics, light placed where you want it, whatever foregrip/handstop you like on a completely safe lower has some training usefulness. But its pretty limited.

In all the classes i teach where this type of non-firing gun is needed, we just take out the bolt carrier group and put some colored tape over the mag well. Problem solved.

That also allows the stock to remain consistent, as well as all the above.

November 23, 2019, 12:59 AM	#1
TimW77 Senior Member Join Date: September 21, 2008 Posts: 485	NON-gun Lowers I am looking for something like a "Blue gun" or "Red gun" AR-15 lower... BUT... Want to be able to install a real/actual AR-15 upper on this safe NON-gun lower... Obviously NOT for shooting... TW

November 23, 2019, 01:29 PM	#2
kymasabe Senior Member Join Date: June 10, 2005 Location: SW Florida Posts: 2,747	Maybe an 80% lower? __________________ God's creatures big and small, eat them one, eat them all.

November 24, 2019, 09:25 PM	#4
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	Is this a possible disaster waiting to happen? What’s wrong with a $60 blue glock or $150 Blue AR? __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

November 25, 2019, 10:16 AM	#7
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,249	So what's wrong with a blue AR-15? __________________ NRA Life Member

November 28, 2019, 11:27 AM	#10
P-man Member Join Date: December 29, 2001 Location: Grand Forks, ND, USA Posts: 30	Do you still want to be able to work the bolt? Hence, the need to be able to use the real upper... __________________ Plainsman [email protected] http://plainsmanscabin.yuku.com/

November 24, 2019, 06:19 PM	#3
raimius Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2008 Posts: 2,199	So, to clarify, do you need something that cannot fire, or is by legal definition not a firearm?

November 24, 2019, 11:53 PM	#5
TimW77 Senior Member Join Date: September 21, 2008 Posts: 485	"...do you need something that cannot fire, or is by legal definition not a firearm?" BOTH... Not to be fired (with no internals, can't fire) and NOT a "firearm"... TW

November 24, 2019, 11:56 PM	#6
TimW77 Senior Member Join Date: September 21, 2008 Posts: 485	"What’s wrong with a $60 blue glock..." Duh, obviously NOT, an AR-15... TW

November 26, 2019, 12:29 AM	#9
emcon5 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 1999 Location: High Desert NV Posts: 2,850	Why do you ant to reinvent the wheel? https://www.alternateforce.net/bluegun-m4.html

November 29, 2019, 09:35 AM	#11
TimW77 Senior Member Join Date: September 21, 2008 Posts: 485	"Do you still want to be able to work the bolt?" NOTHING NEEDS to FUNCTION except the ability to attach the upper and lower... TW Last edited by TimW77; November 29, 2019 at 06:00 PM.

November 29, 2019, 11:43 AM	#12
cslinger Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,045	Out of curiosity what is your specific use / what’s the why of it? An airsoft AR15 trainer might meet your needs? __________________ "Is there anyway I can write my local gun store off on my taxes as dependents?"

November 29, 2019, 05:58 PM	#14
TimW77 Senior Member Join Date: September 21, 2008 Posts: 485	"What he wants exists as I linked above..." Might want to reread what I want and what is shown in the link... Because NO, what I want is NOT listed under that link... "No idea why he wants to reinvent the wheel..." Reread what was written, not trying to reinvent anything, trying to find WHAT I NEED... "...and make his own." Duh, have no idea where you came up with me wanting to make my own, want to know WHERE TO FIND item that meets my needs!!! TW

November 29, 2019, 07:54 PM	#15
Sharkbite Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2013 Location: Western slope of Colorado Posts: 3,679	Hmmm... The ability to swap your upper, with your optics, light placed where you want it, whatever foregrip/handstop you like on a completely safe lower has some training usefulness. But its pretty limited. In all the classes i teach where this type of non-firing gun is needed, we just take out the bolt carrier group and put some colored tape over the mag well. Problem solved. That also allows the stock to remain consistent, as well as all the above.