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Old June 13, 2018, 08:43 AM   #76
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The ballistics part of the discussion was informative and interesting.
Where it should have stayed, but what debate is there when we use facts.
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Old June 13, 2018, 10:03 AM   #77
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I've come to the conclusion it's impossible to have a rational discussion about the 300 BO--the mere fact it works well in shorter barrels always ends up sucking the discussion down the "illegal brace" drain.
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Old June 13, 2018, 09:51 PM   #78
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That's easy:

The brace is designed to defeat SBR laws
The 300 AAC round works in a short barrel

So why wouldn't there be a conversation about these points?
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Old June 14, 2018, 12:38 AM   #79
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I've come to the conclusion it's impossible to have a rational discussion about the 300 BO--the mere fact it works well in shorter barrels always ends up sucking the discussion down the "illegal brace" drain.
Leave .300 out of it, it's just plain anything to do with an AR or AK pistol and the 3rd rail of gun forums has made contact and it's another thread hijacked.

I am never bothering with the pistol brace legality topic again. I would rather watch a snail run the Daytona 500.
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Old June 14, 2018, 06:32 AM   #80
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Leave .300 out of it, it's just plain anything to do with an AR or AK pistol and the 3rd rail of gun forums has made contact and it's another thread hijacked.

I am never bothering with the pistol brace legality topic again. I would rather watch a snail run the Daytona 500.
Amen to that.
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Old June 14, 2018, 06:58 AM   #81
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Twice in two days I've had people feel compelled to reply to my threads where one was closed because someone took it off track.

No one is forcing you to respond. I'm asking perfectly acceptable questions. Thank you for the information that addressed what I asked.
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Old June 14, 2018, 08:38 AM   #82
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I agree--you asked perfectly reasonable questions--but it's the inherent nature of discussing the 300BO that it descends into pistol configurations because it was originally designed as a short-barreled cartridge. That's one reason I tried to warn you at the very start of the thread the importance of avoiding veering off into the brace sturm und drang--it ALWAYS results in quasi arm-chair legal interpretations of grey-zone what-ifs--and the inevitable statement that the brace is somehow a circumvention of SBR licenses. That is completely false--unless you intend to adapt and use it as an SBR.

Think of it this way, it is relatively easy to make a standard AR fire control system dump an entire magazine as if it were a full-auto weapon. You either have to intentionally modify the trigger group to do so--or if you inadvertently have a system that is "out of tune" or used incorrectly; you correct it. If it happens accidentally--that does not mean you configured your weapon as a circumvention of class 3 automatic weapon laws; though you may run the risk of having to explain that to LE if you have the misfortune of them being there at the time this happens.

This is my AR pistol in 300BO. It is very compact and using common parts it barely weighs 5 lbs. Using my warm 110 TacTX handholds I can easily group 1.5" to 2" MOA with a reddot (using a front rest)--once in a while I can get it down to right around MOA if I'm lucky. My handloads arrive at 100 yds with plenty of velocity and energy--even out of this 7.5" barrel. The day this gets ruled illegal is the day all semi-automatic pistols do.



I handload ammo for dozens of different rifles and handguns; and IMO there is no other cartridge that does what the 300BO does within it's niche of high performance small capacity configuration and is also soft shooting in a compact platform. It is very easy to pinpoint opinions to the contrary as ones that are coming from people that almost certainly have never shot a 300BO pistol.
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Old June 14, 2018, 09:30 AM   #83
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I don’t think of a brace as a work around the SBR laws.

I think most people that have a brace installed has done so for purely cosmetic reasons. At first glance it looks like an SBR. I have a brace only because it was cheap.

I would say that if you cannot shoot an AR pistol without shouldering it, you probably should just stick to rifles...
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Old June 14, 2018, 09:41 AM   #84
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I would say that if you cannot shoot an AR pistol without shouldering it, you probably should just stick to rifles...
LOL--that sums it up better than all the other talk.
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Me personally own both several AR's in varied rifle configurations, and a 300BO in rifle. I'm not into the SBR's or pistol configs. They just don't fill any need within my collection. I never gave much though to 300BO until I bought a .30 cal suppressor. 300BO is the PERFECT caliber for suppressed subsonic loads. Just so happens the pistol length gas system is ideal for subsonic work. If your looking for longer 200+ yd precision the 300BO is not the best choice, if your looking for a short range hard hitting caliber, now 300BO becomes better suited. I'm more of a paper punching guy and if I didn't have the supressor I probably wouldn't have the want for 300BO. I do think for thumping steel gongs at 50 yds with a 300BO pistol sounds pretty cool. Everyone's different and that's the modular attraction to the versatile AR.
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