Khar PM 9...?

IMTHDUKE · July 27, 2016, 04:57 PM

For those of you who own a Kahr PM 9, do you have any trouble getting the first round to feed? My PM 9 is completely flawless but for an occasional problem getting the first round to feed. It is on of the few guns I have owned that has never had FTE. I have tried to release the open slide on a full mag and also, sling shot the slide. It does not happen often but is is annoying when it does.

Dashunde · July 27, 2016, 05:13 PM

Occasionally a few times when new using the 7-round magazine, not sure why.

The 7-rounders are problematic, I sent mine to Kahr and they sent back a 6-round in its place.

I've heard that sling-shotting it is a no-go, always use the slide release.

Also, after filling the magazine, tap the back of it against your other palm to be sure the bottom of all rounds are set back where they belong.

RolandD · July 27, 2016, 05:53 PM

Always load a new mag with the slide locked open and use the slide release.

How many rounds do you have through it?

I can slingshot my CW9, but it's not a CM9. They get better with age, though.

larryh1108 · July 27, 2016, 08:22 PM

I ordered the Wolff +10% mag springs when I bought mine some years back. That and only used the slide lock/release on the first round and I never had an issue after that.

IMTHDUKE · July 27, 2016, 09:11 PM

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he 7-rounders are problematic, I sent mine to Kahr and they sent back a 6-round in its place.

Yes, forgot to say that I use the 7 round mag.

SDF880 · July 27, 2016, 11:48 PM

No problems here PM-9 and CM-9 all ammo ex steel case. I always use the slide release and keep em clean! Luv my Kahr's!

michael t · July 27, 2016, 11:54 PM

Slide release and I always give my mags a good smack on my off hand palm to make sure all seated properly.

Fishbed77 · July 28, 2016, 09:20 AM

No problems here with a CM9.

I avoid the 7-round mags for the PM9/CM9 pistols, not because of feeding problems, but because of the ridiculously flimsy baseplate design.

It's no fun having your pistol puke all the ammo out of the bottom of the magazine on the range (or anywhere else).

Glenn E. Meyer · July 28, 2016, 09:25 AM

Mine never ran, so rather than play - it became a Glock 26.

Chainsaw. · July 28, 2016, 10:17 AM

Cm9 can be a little cantankerous, as stated, use the slide release and she'll work.

Targa · July 28, 2016, 12:21 PM

No problems with my CM9 but I am using the standard 6 rounders. Just remember break in is a little more important with these smaller firearms than their bigger counter parts.

Fishbed77 · July 28, 2016, 03:22 PM

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Cm9 can be a little cantankerous, as stated, use the slide release and she'll work.

Mine has been flawless. No trouble at all racking the slide like any other semi-auto.

JERRYS. · July 28, 2016, 11:01 PM

the poly Kahrs can and usually are temperamental in some fashion.

Fishbed77 · July 29, 2016, 08:58 AM

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the poly Kahrs can and usually are temperamental in some fashion.

Incorrect.

The 9mm poly Kahrs (PM9, CW9, CM9) tend to be very reliable for the vast majority of owners.

These are popular pistols, that in one form or another, have been on the market for quite a few years and made in great numbers. Much like Glock kabooms, isolated problems get exaggerated by the sheer number of pistols out there. For example, Kahr typically manufactures more pistols per year (based on the ATF's annual manufacturing reports) than brands like Colt, Walther, CZ, and many others. And almost all of their products are of the same basic design.

When you do hear of problems, note that an inordinate amount of them are linked to the .40SW & .45ACP pistols.

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Targa · July 29, 2016, 09:33 AM

One thing about the magazines that Dashunde pointed out is the tendency for that last round you load to push forward in the magazine before inserting it into the pistol. The other issue being the sling shot chambering that Kahr advises against doing.
I am still patiently waiting for that can or usual temperemental issue that is suppose to happen. 600 rounds through so far and not a single fail to anything.....hey, maybe 601 will get me..

Viper99 · July 29, 2016, 03:55 PM

Use the slide release as mentioned above. Mine jammed regardless so I got rid of mine because I couldn't trust it.

unclenunzie · July 29, 2016, 05:09 PM

My PM9 is of the old style slide, I bought it new about 2010. It ran perfectly from the start, but when I got to about 1100 rounds, it failed to feed two 115 gr gold dots in the same magazine. I talked to Kahr about it and they recommended a new recoil spring around 1000-1500 rounds just to be sure. I replaced the outer spring and it never happened again. I did after that time decide that I would stick to 124 grains, and it has remained perfect.

Never had any issues with first round charging from either 6 or 7 round mags. It's my go-to lightweight and small carry gun. i have heard of 7 round mags giving some folks trouble but mine never has.

franco45 · August 4, 2016, 03:21 PM

My CM9 needed a trip back to the factory to fix a failure to return to battery problem. It has been 100% since I got it back. The CM9 is my 11th Kahr and the first one I had any problems with. I have owned Kahrs in 9mm, 380 and 45acp. I still own a CT9 and a TP45 as well as my Cm9.

RetiredMajor · August 4, 2016, 08:21 PM

My Kahr PM9 has been my dedicated carry gun for many years now. I had several FTFs in the first 200 hundred rounds and no problems since. It's flawless. Mine feeds fine using the slide release or slingshotting. Major

johnwilliamson062 · August 4, 2016, 09:05 PM

You can sling-shot, you just have to do it correctly. You must pull your off hand back until it comes off the slide. Your off-hand should not be in contact with the slide while it is moving forward. This is true of all pistols. SOme are more tolerant of incorrect form, but correct form and best practice is to release the slide completely, not "ride it forward."

But, I bet once you learn to use the slide release you will never mess with sling-shotting again. Much faster and easier.

gbran · August 6, 2016, 11:38 PM

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Mine never ran, so rather than play - it became a Glock 26.

Had quite a few problems with the 7 round, but a few with the 6 round. This didn't clear up long after the breakin.

I too replaced it with a G26 that has been flawless.

Dashunde · August 7, 2016, 12:36 PM

I have remembered a couple of other things on this subject...

My PM9's always scratch/chew up ammo that is cycled thru a a few times.
They also have a habit of seating the round deeper into the case (making overall lenght shorter).
Both examples of ammo battering are somewhat normal for auto-loaders, but the PM is harder on ammo than my other pistols and indicates a moret obtuse angle encoutered during feeding.

Anything that tips the nose of the round down further will magnify a feeding issue.
If the magazine is inserted before the slide is pulled back the nose of the first round is pushed down a bit by the bottom of the slide, if the nose doesnt pop all the way up before its pushed forward I suppose it can dive into the bottom of the feed ramp.

I never had it fail to feed if the slide was locked back before inserting the magazine and round #2,3,4... always feed normally.

July 27, 2016, 04:57 PM	#1
IMTHDUKE Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2004 Location: Sweet Home Alabama Posts: 1,475	Khar PM 9...? For those of you who own a Kahr PM 9, do you have any trouble getting the first round to feed? My PM 9 is completely flawless but for an occasional problem getting the first round to feed. It is on of the few guns I have owned that has never had FTE. I have tried to release the open slide on a full mag and also, sling shot the slide. It does not happen often but is is annoying when it does. __________________ http://www.treasureislandbedandbreakfast.com Ed Brown Alpha Carry\| Sig P238, P938, P232, 1911 C3 \| Colt Defender, Mustang Pocketlite, 1911 \| Rohrbaugh R9 \| Browning, Buckmark 22LR(suppressed) \| Kahr PM9 Black Rose \| S&W\|M&P C.O.R.E RMR Trijicon \| Dan Wesson ECO

July 27, 2016, 08:22 PM	#4
larryh1108 Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2008 Location: NC Posts: 813	I ordered the Wolff +10% mag springs when I bought mine some years back. That and only used the slide lock/release on the first round and I never had an issue after that. __________________ Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

July 27, 2016, 11:54 PM	#7
michael t Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Location: Out back Ky Posts: 4,044	Slide release and I always give my mags a good smack on my off hand palm to make sure all seated properly. __________________ Certified Armed Infidel Colt Defender ,Colt Mustang ,Dan Wesson CBOB, PPK/S, American Classic 1911,Bersa Thunder 380 http://bersachat.comHome of Bersa http://www.metroarms1911forum.com

July 28, 2016, 09:25 AM	#9
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Mine never ran, so rather than play - it became a Glock 26. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

July 29, 2016, 05:09 PM	#17
unclenunzie Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2016 Location: Texas. Posts: 140	My PM9 is of the old style slide, I bought it new about 2010. It ran perfectly from the start, but when I got to about 1100 rounds, it failed to feed two 115 gr gold dots in the same magazine. I talked to Kahr about it and they recommended a new recoil spring around 1000-1500 rounds just to be sure. I replaced the outer spring and it never happened again. I did after that time decide that I would stick to 124 grains, and it has remained perfect. Never had any issues with first round charging from either 6 or 7 round mags. It's my go-to lightweight and small carry gun. i have heard of 7 round mags giving some folks trouble but mine never has. __________________ I reject your reality and substitute my own! this space for rent

July 27, 2016, 05:13 PM	#2
Dashunde Senior Member Join Date: December 22, 2004 Posts: 2,018	Occasionally a few times when new using the 7-round magazine, not sure why. The 7-rounders are problematic, I sent mine to Kahr and they sent back a 6-round in its place. I've heard that sling-shotting it is a no-go, always use the slide release. Also, after filling the magazine, tap the back of it against your other palm to be sure the bottom of all rounds are set back where they belong.

July 27, 2016, 05:53 PM	#3
RolandD Member Join Date: February 6, 2016 Posts: 59	Always load a new mag with the slide locked open and use the slide release. How many rounds do you have through it? I can slingshot my CW9, but it's not a CM9. They get better with age, though.

July 27, 2016, 11:48 PM	#6
SDF880 Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2009 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 390	No problems here PM-9 and CM-9 all ammo ex steel case. I always use the slide release and keep em clean! Luv my Kahr's!

July 28, 2016, 09:20 AM	#8
Fishbed77 Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2010 Posts: 4,862	No problems here with a CM9. I avoid the 7-round mags for the PM9/CM9 pistols, not because of feeding problems, but because of the ridiculously flimsy baseplate design. It's no fun having your pistol puke all the ammo out of the bottom of the magazine on the range (or anywhere else).

July 28, 2016, 10:17 AM	#10
Chainsaw. Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2015 Location: Issaquah WA. Its a dry rain. Posts: 1,774	Cm9 can be a little cantankerous, as stated, use the slide release and she'll work.

July 28, 2016, 12:21 PM	#11
Targa Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Posts: 2,084	No problems with my CM9 but I am using the standard 6 rounders. Just remember break in is a little more important with these smaller firearms than their bigger counter parts.

July 28, 2016, 11:01 PM	#13
JERRYS. Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,968	the poly Kahrs can and usually are temperamental in some fashion.

July 29, 2016, 09:33 AM	#15
Targa Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Posts: 2,084	One thing about the magazines that Dashunde pointed out is the tendency for that last round you load to push forward in the magazine before inserting it into the pistol. The other issue being the sling shot chambering that Kahr advises against doing. I am still patiently waiting for that can or usual temperemental issue that is suppose to happen. 600 rounds through so far and not a single fail to anything.....hey, maybe 601 will get me..

July 29, 2016, 03:55 PM	#16
Viper99 Senior Member Join Date: October 19, 2010 Location: CT Posts: 846	Use the slide release as mentioned above. Mine jammed regardless so I got rid of mine because I couldn't trust it.

August 4, 2016, 03:21 PM	#18
franco45 Senior Member Join Date: August 29, 2010 Location: Toledo Ohio Posts: 474	My CM9 needed a trip back to the factory to fix a failure to return to battery problem. It has been 100% since I got it back. The CM9 is my 11th Kahr and the first one I had any problems with. I have owned Kahrs in 9mm, 380 and 45acp. I still own a CT9 and a TP45 as well as my Cm9.

August 4, 2016, 08:21 PM	#19
RetiredMajor Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2008 Location: Dubuque, Iowa Posts: 456	My Kahr PM9 has been my dedicated carry gun for many years now. I had several FTFs in the first 200 hundred rounds and no problems since. It's flawless. Mine feeds fine using the slide release or slingshotting. Major __________________ RetiredMajor, NRA Certified Instructor Every day's a holiday and every meal's a feast!

August 4, 2016, 09:05 PM	#20
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	You can sling-shot, you just have to do it correctly. You must pull your off hand back until it comes off the slide. Your off-hand should not be in contact with the slide while it is moving forward. This is true of all pistols. SOme are more tolerant of incorrect form, but correct form and best practice is to release the slide completely, not "ride it forward." But, I bet once you learn to use the slide release you will never mess with sling-shotting again. Much faster and easier.

August 7, 2016, 12:36 PM	#22
Dashunde Senior Member Join Date: December 22, 2004 Posts: 2,018	I have remembered a couple of other things on this subject... My PM9's always scratch/chew up ammo that is cycled thru a a few times. They also have a habit of seating the round deeper into the case (making overall lenght shorter). Both examples of ammo battering are somewhat normal for auto-loaders, but the PM is harder on ammo than my other pistols and indicates a moret obtuse angle encoutered during feeding. Anything that tips the nose of the round down further will magnify a feeding issue. If the magazine is inserted before the slide is pulled back the nose of the first round is pushed down a bit by the bottom of the slide, if the nose doesnt pop all the way up before its pushed forward I suppose it can dive into the bottom of the feed ramp. I never had it fail to feed if the slide was locked back before inserting the magazine and round #2,3,4... always feed normally.