Shortage of guns and ammo - Page 2

cslinger · October 28, 2020, 04:30 PM

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I get that not everyone is a "hard core" gun enthusiast. But even if you only have a couple of guns, you should have plenty of ammunition on hand for all of them, at all times.... Especially now.

This I completely agree with.

Who I feel bad for are all the new people who suddenly realized the need for a defensive firearm and their plight at getting ammo.

As to the rest of us......rodeo<>first.

gaseousclay · October 28, 2020, 04:46 PM

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I get that not everyone is a "hard core" gun enthusiast. But even if you only have a couple of guns, you should have plenty of ammunition on hand for all of them, at all times.... Especially now.

One thing to consider is that new gun owners wouldn’t think to stock up on ammo in a time of crisis. I wouldn’t be surprised either if there are those who either can’t afford ammo, especially after jumping up in price, or have access to places that sell ammo. I think I’m pretty well stocked if shtf, but still feel as though I could use a little more. But, I know that what I have is a drop in the bucket compared to what others may have.

StrangeBird1911 · October 28, 2020, 05:09 PM

I usually keep a good stockpile, big enough that neighbors would think I'm a nut (as in, "Why would anyone need 2,000 rounds of ammunition?).

But I scored 1000 of 9mm for $180 last year and let my guard down. Didn't watch my inventory. Now I've got just enough to handle a small zombie attack, but not an antifa visit. My position is: Yes, I can afford today's prices, but I have other hobbies available to me at reasonable prices. So I'll pass on the range for a while.

Yes, it's my own fault. No, I don't want or expect sympathy.

Jim567 · October 28, 2020, 09:18 PM

I have weapons in the most popular military calibers. Pistol and rifle.
I never touch my reserve.
Out of .45 and 9mm practice ammo.
Using a BB gun on a combat commander sized frame most days off the back deck.

Hawg · October 29, 2020, 02:13 AM

My LGS posted this a week ago. They get ammo and firearms shipments daily.

https://www.facebook.com/74178539918...79497433100516

musicmatty · October 29, 2020, 07:49 AM

I think the big challenge for Henry rifles is simply this ... they are manufactured in New Jersey and Wisconsin which both have Democratic governors shutting the states down.

I’m not sure that it’s prudent or logical to be a gun manufacturer in a democratic state these days.

zincwarrior · October 29, 2020, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by musicmatty

I think the big challenge for Henry rifles is simply this ... they are manufactured in New Jersey and Wisconsin which both have Democratic governors shutting the states down.

I’m not sure that it’s prudent or logical to be a gun manufacturer in a democratic state these days.

Lets keep politics out of the thread shall we.

Onward Allusion · October 29, 2020, 11:28 AM

Some would argue 2,000 rounds is just a month of ammo for the range.

The thing is...everyone is different.

The Covid/Civil Unrest/Economic Downturn nightmare had a lot of new gun buyers who bought guns without any ammo! I personally saw this at a couple of the gun store chains. Their shelves were bare except for stuff like 44 Mag, 357 Sig and other less common calibers. Most folks were gobbling up 9mm, 5.45, & 40 S&W along with shotguns. Hell, at one store/range they didn't even have ammo for their range shooters. Yes, folks were buying guns w/o ammo.

So, you can't blame new gun owners for asking questions like where the heck is the ammo. I remember way back in the day, a new gun with a box of ammo was good enough to protect one's bacon.

Pathfinder45 · October 29, 2020, 12:28 PM

I'd guess there's probably a million gun owners that maybe have one pistol tucked away in the back of the sock drawer that they have shot since [blank] holiday, years ago, and the half-box or so of leftover ammo is all they think they need since they don't actually practice. And that's fine for them if all goes well....
I don't object to those that are trying to find ammo... But what I disagree with is those who blame, "hoarders", that they can't get what they need. There might be a problem with that... If you have just one box of ammo, no one is likely to call that hoarding. But what about a thousand or ten? Perhaps that's simply being prepared and is well understood by those that do likewise. Those who are habitually unprepared are often quick to demonize those who did prepare as hoarders, when their own desires can no longer be fulfilled conveniently. It's an all too common character defect wherein the person is unable to own up to their own faults and they are compelled to blame others....

Eddiejoe · October 29, 2020, 03:50 PM

Deals are out there if you are patient and have a network of like-minded friends. One friend sent me a link for some ammo I needed and was able to pick up .45ACP for $.36/round before tax and shipping. I could use some other calibers, but as has been stated, I should have kept up with my own supply.

TXAZ · October 29, 2020, 04:15 PM

+1 Eddiejoe
I continue to find at or sub-MSRP ammo.
Yesterday in Academy 520 7.62x39 Winchester for $149.
Walmart had 10 boxes of Federal .308 waiting for the right shooter.
And just bought 40 round of 185 Berger Jugernaut.

NobodyJones · October 29, 2020, 04:22 PM

bill460 in my humble opinion hit this right on the head with his post.

If you are a new gun owner you may never have paid attention to these cyclical trends of shortage and high prices around either gun violence events or presidential elections. So for that reason I will be understanding to their questions about firearms and ammunition. What I fail to understand is all the gun aficionados and shtf preppers that seemingly get caught off guard every time this same thing happens. Honestly in all of 2020 I bought less than 300 rounds of ammunition. Why? Because prior to this I had a purchase plan that was every paycheck I bought 2 to 4 boxes of ammunition for my various guns. No huge bite all at once and no need to pay double or triple when the panics hit. I can pretty much guarantee you I will not purchase any ammunition until the current nonsense settles down because I don't need any.

I do have a question though for those of you with pallets of ammo or hundreds of thousands of rounds in storage. How well set up is your residence to be able to defend it or if you have to bug out, if SHTF for real, how will you move it all? Kind of a different topic but one I wonder about.

TXAZ · October 29, 2020, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyJones

bill460 in my humble opinion hit this right on the head with his post.

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I do have a question though for those of you with pallets of ammo or hundreds of thousands of rounds in storage. How well set up is your residence to be able to defend it or if you have to bug out, if SHTF for real, how will you move it all? Kind of a different topic but one I wonder about.

You mean do we have 1 or 2 layers of claymores after the electrified fences and dobermans, or the fact we don’t talk about it with neighbors or post pictures of it on Facebook?

NobodyJones · October 29, 2020, 05:28 PM

I didn't ask for pictures and if you say you have claymores and electrified fence and Dobermans good for you. Let me just say I'm a bit skeptical on the claymores.

Do you live in a bunker? Or is that too personal a question?

No one knows what I have, other than my wife. Not even my kids and they won't know until the day things go bad and they decide to come home. I surely do not broadcast what I have to family, friends, or neighbors.

musicmatty · October 29, 2020, 05:38 PM

Made a nice score today. I found four boxes of 30-30 at Walmart 20 miles from where I live as the one close to me never has anything.

I noticed all the guns and ammo were not on the shelves in the glass cases.. and I was told that everything was moved to the back of the store under lock and key and you would have to ask for anything. They said these orders came from the top for fears of election insurrection and rioting.

I also made another great score at a gun shop nearby. He had several cases of 12 gauge double OO buck and was selling a full case for 20% off. Each case consisted of 10 boxes for a total of 250 shot shells. I walked out with a case for $212.

I’m done stocking up. I have enough bird shot to enjoy some clay shooting and enough 30-30 ammo to enjoy a few boxes for target shooting as well.

AzShooter · October 29, 2020, 06:11 PM

I was looking for a small .380 or 9 mm to keep around the house do to all the riots,etc. I went to Sportsman's Warehouse and they were all out of what I would consider a good pistol except for one left S&W EZ 9. I asked about the .380 and was told they didn't have any ammo for it. They didn't have any for the 9 either but I have over 1000 rounds from my competition days. I ordered 500 rounds of self defense Hollow Points and they arrived a month after the pistol.

I'm holding back on my .22s. I was shooting 1000 rounds per week at two of our local ranges. Now I'm down to only 3 - 400 rounds once a week.

Fortunately I scored a case of CCI Mini Mags yesterday for only $9.99 a hundred. Ammo is hard to get so I'm not ashamed to say I have enough for the next year. After that I think I'll take up Archery again.

rc · October 29, 2020, 06:35 PM

If Joe wins, we are in for a very bumpy 4 years with shortages getting worse and not better!

**Aguila Blanca** · October 29, 2020, 08:42 PM

This discussion seems to be heading in a TEOTWAWKI and political direction, both of which we don't do here.

Closed.

October 29, 2020, 11:28 AM	#33
Onward Allusion Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Back in a Non-Free State Posts: 3,133	Some would argue 2,000 rounds is just a month of ammo for the range. The thing is...everyone is different. The Covid/Civil Unrest/Economic Downturn nightmare had a lot of new gun buyers who bought guns without any ammo! I personally saw this at a couple of the gun store chains. Their shelves were bare except for stuff like 44 Mag, 357 Sig and other less common calibers. Most folks were gobbling up 9mm, 5.45, & 40 S&W along with shotguns. Hell, at one store/range they didn't even have ammo for their range shooters. Yes, folks were buying guns w/o ammo. So, you can't blame new gun owners for asking questions like where the heck is the ammo. I remember way back in the day, a new gun with a box of ammo was good enough to protect one's bacon. __________________ Simple as ABC . . . Always Be Carrying

October 29, 2020, 12:28 PM	#34
Pathfinder45 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Posts: 3,224	I'd guess there's probably a million gun owners that maybe have one pistol tucked away in the back of the sock drawer that they have shot since [blank] holiday, years ago, and the half-box or so of leftover ammo is all they think they need since they don't actually practice. And that's fine for them if all goes well.... I don't object to those that are trying to find ammo... But what I disagree with is those who blame, "hoarders", that they can't get what they need. There might be a problem with that... If you have just one box of ammo, no one is likely to call that hoarding. But what about a thousand or ten? Perhaps that's simply being prepared and is well understood by those that do likewise. Those who are habitually unprepared are often quick to demonize those who did prepare as hoarders, when their own desires can no longer be fulfilled conveniently. It's an all too common character defect wherein the person is unable to own up to their own faults and they are compelled to blame others.... Last edited by Pathfinder45; October 29, 2020 at 01:17 PM.

October 29, 2020, 04:15 PM	#36
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	+1 Eddiejoe I continue to find at or sub-MSRP ammo. Yesterday in Academy 520 7.62x39 Winchester for $149. Walmart had 10 boxes of Federal .308 waiting for the right shooter. And just bought 40 round of 185 Berger Jugernaut. __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

October 29, 2020, 08:42 PM	#43
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,460	This discussion seems to be heading in a TEOTWAWKI and political direction, both of which we don't do here. Closed. __________________ NRA Life Member / Certified Instructor NRA Chief RSO / CMP RSO 1911 Certified Armorer Jeepaholic

October 28, 2020, 05:09 PM	#28
StrangeBird1911 Member Join Date: November 21, 2011 Posts: 40	I usually keep a good stockpile, big enough that neighbors would think I'm a nut (as in, "Why would anyone need 2,000 rounds of ammunition?). But I scored 1000 of 9mm for $180 last year and let my guard down. Didn't watch my inventory. Now I've got just enough to handle a small zombie attack, but not an antifa visit. My position is: Yes, I can afford today's prices, but I have other hobbies available to me at reasonable prices. So I'll pass on the range for a while. Yes, it's my own fault. No, I don't want or expect sympathy.

October 28, 2020, 09:18 PM	#29
Jim567 Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2014 Location: NE FL Posts: 656	I have weapons in the most popular military calibers. Pistol and rifle. I never touch my reserve. Out of .45 and 9mm practice ammo. Using a BB gun on a combat commander sized frame most days off the back deck.

October 29, 2020, 02:13 AM	#30
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	My LGS posted this a week ago. They get ammo and firearms shipments daily. https://www.facebook.com/74178539918...79497433100516

October 29, 2020, 07:49 AM	#31
musicmatty Senior Member Join Date: September 30, 2009 Location: Eastcoast Posts: 346	I think the big challenge for Henry rifles is simply this ... they are manufactured in New Jersey and Wisconsin which both have Democratic governors shutting the states down. I’m not sure that it’s prudent or logical to be a gun manufacturer in a democratic state these days.

October 29, 2020, 03:50 PM	#35
Eddiejoe Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2018 Posts: 206	Deals are out there if you are patient and have a network of like-minded friends. One friend sent me a link for some ammo I needed and was able to pick up .45ACP for $.36/round before tax and shipping. I could use some other calibers, but as has been stated, I should have kept up with my own supply.

October 29, 2020, 04:22 PM	#37
NobodyJones Member Join Date: December 21, 2019 Posts: 64	bill460 in my humble opinion hit this right on the head with his post. If you are a new gun owner you may never have paid attention to these cyclical trends of shortage and high prices around either gun violence events or presidential elections. So for that reason I will be understanding to their questions about firearms and ammunition. What I fail to understand is all the gun aficionados and shtf preppers that seemingly get caught off guard every time this same thing happens. Honestly in all of 2020 I bought less than 300 rounds of ammunition. Why? Because prior to this I had a purchase plan that was every paycheck I bought 2 to 4 boxes of ammunition for my various guns. No huge bite all at once and no need to pay double or triple when the panics hit. I can pretty much guarantee you I will not purchase any ammunition until the current nonsense settles down because I don't need any. I do have a question though for those of you with pallets of ammo or hundreds of thousands of rounds in storage. How well set up is your residence to be able to defend it or if you have to bug out, if SHTF for real, how will you move it all? Kind of a different topic but one I wonder about.

October 29, 2020, 05:28 PM	#39
NobodyJones Member Join Date: December 21, 2019 Posts: 64	I didn't ask for pictures and if you say you have claymores and electrified fence and Dobermans good for you. Let me just say I'm a bit skeptical on the claymores. Do you live in a bunker? Or is that too personal a question? No one knows what I have, other than my wife. Not even my kids and they won't know until the day things go bad and they decide to come home. I surely do not broadcast what I have to family, friends, or neighbors.

October 29, 2020, 05:38 PM	#40
musicmatty Senior Member Join Date: September 30, 2009 Location: Eastcoast Posts: 346	Made a nice score today. I found four boxes of 30-30 at Walmart 20 miles from where I live as the one close to me never has anything. I noticed all the guns and ammo were not on the shelves in the glass cases.. and I was told that everything was moved to the back of the store under lock and key and you would have to ask for anything. They said these orders came from the top for fears of election insurrection and rioting. I also made another great score at a gun shop nearby. He had several cases of 12 gauge double OO buck and was selling a full case for 20% off. Each case consisted of 10 boxes for a total of 250 shot shells. I walked out with a case for $212. I’m done stocking up. I have enough bird shot to enjoy some clay shooting and enough 30-30 ammo to enjoy a few boxes for target shooting as well.

October 29, 2020, 06:11 PM	#41
AzShooter Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2006 Location: Surprise, Az. Posts: 766	I was looking for a small .380 or 9 mm to keep around the house do to all the riots,etc. I went to Sportsman's Warehouse and they were all out of what I would consider a good pistol except for one left S&W EZ 9. I asked about the .380 and was told they didn't have any ammo for it. They didn't have any for the 9 either but I have over 1000 rounds from my competition days. I ordered 500 rounds of self defense Hollow Points and they arrived a month after the pistol. I'm holding back on my .22s. I was shooting 1000 rounds per week at two of our local ranges. Now I'm down to only 3 - 400 rounds once a week. Fortunately I scored a case of CCI Mini Mags yesterday for only $9.99 a hundred. Ammo is hard to get so I'm not ashamed to say I have enough for the next year. After that I think I'll take up Archery again.

October 29, 2020, 06:35 PM	#42
rc Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2001 Location: CA Posts: 1,765	If Joe wins, we are in for a very bumpy 4 years with shortages getting worse and not better!