Home defense query

roadrocket · March 15, 2013, 01:24 PM

Here in Ireland we have very little gun crime. I was just wondering how many people on this forum have had to use their shotgun in a home defense situation.

Cyberbach · March 15, 2013, 01:42 PM

Just Joe Biden... and he just shot it out the window to scare them away.

natman · March 15, 2013, 02:37 PM

I've had a self defense shotgun for more than twenty years. Never had to use it.

I also have a large fire extinguisher. Never had to use it either.

I don't plan on getting rid of either one.

ZVP · March 15, 2013, 11:45 PM

I reserched it all then bought a 20 Ga double but it's to pretty to chop so It sits ready to go with a couple boxes of Slugs and some Phesant loads and with 28" barrels...
NExt I plan to get a 12Ga.Pump, Intended to wear a 18 1/2" barrel and only an elastic shell bandoleer around the stock.
Likely going to be either a Mossberg or Remington 870 for costs sake, Bougtht "used"
I have found that vented ribbed barrels are the cheapest(?) on the Used Market.
I'll probablly need a 'Smith cut it down due to the Vent rib.
Funny how a cheap Project gets expensive if you don't be carefull!
ZVP

scrubcedar · March 16, 2013, 12:54 AM

My oldest son had my shotgun chambered and pointed toward the floor in front of the door (finger OFF the trigger, all that lecturing worked) when a mentally unstable young man was pounding at the door to try to get to my daughter. My Son was announcing they were armed and he needed to step away from the door when the local PD (bless them) arrived.
The young man was escorted away, but only after the LE made it clear that if he had forced his way through the door only bad things would have happened due to the fact we were armed. The Chief himself followed up (we go to church with him) to make sure the point was made while explaining the laws about trespass in this area.
He didn't have to pull the trigger. I suppose in Joe Biden's world it would have been okay, but until that door was open he sure as heck was not going to do anything deadly, it wasn't needed.
I guess I would call it using our HD weapon, the fear of it has worked to keep this nutjob away perfectly. According to the LEO's that were on scene he went dead white when he realized he almost forced his way into a shotgun blast.

Mrgunsngear · March 16, 2013, 07:05 AM

I have, about 11 years ago. Never fired a shot but my car was being broken into and I walked outside with my 870 and the sight of me and 7 rounds of buckshot apparently was a deterrent and the criminal ran off. Still had a busted out window though.

kutz · March 16, 2013, 08:38 AM

After 30 yrs, Nope, but still stay ready.

iraiam · March 16, 2013, 11:51 AM

When I was 21, I fired a hand gun in my own home out of self defense after my front door was kicked in, he was hit once and ran off, I moved to a better neigborhood shortly after that.

Several years ago, I went outside armed with a shotgun to see who was trying to steal my motorcycle, they saw me coming and ran off I guess.

UtopiaTexasG19 · March 16, 2013, 12:21 PM

Never....

hogdogs · March 16, 2013, 12:45 PM

Used??? Certainly... Many many times... First I used and abused it to make sure it would be reliable if called upon up to and including discharge against a human predator...

I use it when I step out front and shoot amongst the pack of yotes in my garbage that my house dogs think they can handle...

I use it for the feral cats in the barn too...

But inside the home, I use it a few times per month...

Any time an uninvited person arrives that I cannot immediately identify is met at the door by me with my shotgun hid behind the door, if i even open it up...

Once identified, and I choose to invite the person in, they will see I am armed as I prop my gun on the wall nearby...

this is also followed by a typical "You really need to let me know you are coming in advance..." lecture...

I am not the consummate host of uninvited social visits and do take offense at those who think everyone invites this with open arms...

Have I ever fired upon anyone? Nope... I have "stood my ground" a few times while armed and a few of these the person on the hot end of the gun knew it to be so...

Brent

Wyosmith · March 16, 2013, 01:01 PM

I killed an attacking Doberman dog when I was 16 years old with a Beretta BL3 over/under shotgun and a load of #7 ½ bird shot. It killed the big dog instantly.
He was only about 10 feet from me and coming straight at me with teeth barred and snarling. I shot him in the front of his chest. That was MANY years ago.

roadrocket · March 16, 2013, 01:47 PM

i think i will change my mind about holidaying in america this year.

deputy tom · March 16, 2013, 02:06 PM

roadrocket, you should have visited us today. It was the local St. Paddy's Day parade in Pittsburgh PA. Like my LT. used to say, " nothing bad can happen on St. Patrick's Day. tom.

PetahW · March 16, 2013, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by roadrocket

i think i will change my mind about holidaying in america this year.

Why ? Did you intend to indulge in an anti-social or criminal activity here ?

Or, are you one of those folks that think America is still the Wild West, with everybody's life in peril every second of the day ?

.

PawPaw · March 16, 2013, 03:24 PM

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i think i will change my mind about holidaying in america this year.

That's a shame. When you come you'll find that Americans are some of the friendliest people in the world. This really is a wonderful country. I've lived here all my life and I haven't seen it all yet. You could spend weeks in each region and not see it all.

manta49 · March 16, 2013, 03:35 PM

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Here in Ireland we have very little gun crime

Is that N Ireland or the Republic of Ireland. I ask because the crime rate in the republic of Ireland would have its own crime figures as would N Ireland.

From what i have read on this forum very few have had to use their firearm for self defence.

scrubcedar · March 16, 2013, 03:53 PM

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life". Robert A Heinlein

vjg · March 16, 2013, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roadrocket

i think i will change my mind about holidaying in america this year.

Are you more inclined now?

Pezo · March 16, 2013, 08:50 PM

My shtf gun is a mossberg 590 a1. Awesome shotgun. A aquaintance of mine would keep a loaded shotgun by his bed when his daughters ex boy friend stalker would come by (Stalker actually had a written plan later confiscated by police on how he was going to kidnap her and well you know) That shotgun was a good reassurance during tough times.

CLC · March 16, 2013, 11:57 PM

Lol I find it humorous when foreigners watch the news and think America is a horrible place. I could make assumptions of ireland as well.

SHR970 · March 17, 2013, 01:15 AM

Let me see Wiki data says

Ireland: Pop. 6,399,115 Area:32,595 sq. mi. (2011 data)

City of Los Angeles Pop. 3,792,621* Area 503 sq. mi. (2010 data) or 59.3% of your population in an area 1/65th the size.

Los Angeles County Pop. 9,962,789* Area: 4,752 sq. mi. or 55.7% more people in an area 1/7th the size. There are 14 cities with populations between 100k and 500k in this county.

State finance data shows that these numbers are on the low side. L.A. data

Trying to compare Ireland rates with US rates is an apples to pineapples comparison. Not only does it not take into account your long standing tradition of firearm restrictions, it also does not take into account significant regional differences such as demographics, population density, population hemegony, legal hemegony (each of our states has its own laws), etc. You may want to look at states like Washington that have a similar number of people (they do have twice the land area), Tennessee (pop similar; land a 1/3 more), or others along that line.

hogdogs · March 17, 2013, 08:58 AM

And until reporting agencies use the same parameters for reporting crime data...

You will never see a fair comparison...

Brent

hogdogs · March 17, 2013, 09:01 AM

Roadrocket, I see no reason for you to fear us American folks... No one seems to have professed to be a hunting guide during "Tourist Season"... (if they call it Tourist season... why can't we hu8nt them???)....

Just don't go acting like a thug criminal and don't get too drunk as to go breaking into the wrong house to sleep on the couch... you will be okay...

Brent

Sheikyourbootie · March 17, 2013, 09:25 AM

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#12
roadrocket

i think i will change my mind about holidaying in america this year.

You are right. Mexico is MUCH safer.

TXAZ · March 17, 2013, 10:02 AM

2 burglars were attempting to break into the back door.
I grabbed the shotgun, and came around from the gate into the back yard.

Cops came gave them a ride plus meals and board (said I should have let them open the door first.)

I hope both of those teenagers have since taken up another trade.

March 15, 2013, 11:45 PM	#4
ZVP Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2009 Posts: 1,102	The neverending question... I reserched it all then bought a 20 Ga double but it's to pretty to chop so It sits ready to go with a couple boxes of Slugs and some Phesant loads and with 28" barrels... NExt I plan to get a 12Ga.Pump, Intended to wear a 18 1/2" barrel and only an elastic shell bandoleer around the stock. Likely going to be either a Mossberg or Remington 870 for costs sake, Bougtht "used" I have found that vented ribbed barrels are the cheapest(?) on the Used Market. I'll probablly need a 'Smith cut it down due to the Vent rib. Funny how a cheap Project gets expensive if you don't be carefull! ZVP

March 16, 2013, 12:54 AM	#5
scrubcedar Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2012 Location: Southwestern Colorado Posts: 507	My oldest son had my shotgun chambered and pointed toward the floor in front of the door (finger OFF the trigger, all that lecturing worked) when a mentally unstable young man was pounding at the door to try to get to my daughter. My Son was announcing they were armed and he needed to step away from the door when the local PD (bless them) arrived. The young man was escorted away, but only after the LE made it clear that if he had forced his way through the door only bad things would have happened due to the fact we were armed. The Chief himself followed up (we go to church with him) to make sure the point was made while explaining the laws about trespass in this area. He didn't have to pull the trigger. I suppose in Joe Biden's world it would have been okay, but until that door was open he sure as heck was not going to do anything deadly, it wasn't needed. I guess I would call it using our HD weapon, the fear of it has worked to keep this nutjob away perfectly. According to the LEO's that were on scene he went dead white when he realized he almost forced his way into a shotgun blast. __________________ Gaily bedight, A gallant knight In sunshine and in shadow, Had journeyed long, Singing a song, In search of El Dorado

March 16, 2013, 07:05 AM	#6
Mrgunsngear Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2011 Location: Carolina Posts: 3,415	I have, about 11 years ago. Never fired a shot but my car was being broken into and I walked outside with my 870 and the sight of me and 7 rounds of buckshot apparently was a deterrent and the criminal ran off. Still had a busted out window though. __________________ Mrgunsngear Youtube Channel

March 16, 2013, 11:51 AM	#8
iraiam Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2012 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 1,057	When I was 21, I fired a hand gun in my own home out of self defense after my front door was kicked in, he was hit once and ran off, I moved to a better neigborhood shortly after that. Several years ago, I went outside armed with a shotgun to see who was trying to steal my motorcycle, they saw me coming and ran off I guess. __________________ NRA Lifetime Member Since 1999 "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials." George Mason Last edited by iraiam; March 16, 2013 at 11:59 AM.

March 16, 2013, 02:06 PM	#13
deputy tom Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2002 Location: Pennsyltucky Posts: 753	roadrocket, you should have visited us today. It was the local St. Paddy's Day parade in Pittsburgh PA. Like my LT. used to say, " nothing bad can happen on St. Patrick's Day. tom. __________________ N.R.A.LIFE MEMBER Thank Goodness we're back on line. An end will come on the world, but love and music will endure. Thig crioch air an t-saoghail, ach mairidh gaol 's ceol. Old Scottish Gaelic proverb

March 15, 2013, 01:24 PM	#1
roadrocket Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Posts: 72	Home defense query Here in Ireland we have very little gun crime. I was just wondering how many people on this forum have had to use their shotgun in a home defense situation.

March 15, 2013, 01:42 PM	#2
Cyberbach Member Join Date: February 25, 2013 Posts: 22	Just Joe Biden... and he just shot it out the window to scare them away.

March 15, 2013, 02:37 PM	#3
natman Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2008 Posts: 2,607	I've had a self defense shotgun for more than twenty years. Never had to use it. I also have a large fire extinguisher. Never had to use it either. I don't plan on getting rid of either one.

March 16, 2013, 08:38 AM	#7
kutz Senior Member Join Date: September 24, 2012 Location: Arizona Posts: 393	After 30 yrs, Nope, but still stay ready.

March 16, 2013, 12:21 PM	#9
UtopiaTexasG19 Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2011 Location: S.E. Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 743	Never....

March 16, 2013, 12:45 PM	#10
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Used??? Certainly... Many many times... First I used and abused it to make sure it would be reliable if called upon up to and including discharge against a human predator... I use it when I step out front and shoot amongst the pack of yotes in my garbage that my house dogs think they can handle... I use it for the feral cats in the barn too... But inside the home, I use it a few times per month... Any time an uninvited person arrives that I cannot immediately identify is met at the door by me with my shotgun hid behind the door, if i even open it up... Once identified, and I choose to invite the person in, they will see I am armed as I prop my gun on the wall nearby... this is also followed by a typical "You really need to let me know you are coming in advance..." lecture... I am not the consummate host of uninvited social visits and do take offense at those who think everyone invites this with open arms... Have I ever fired upon anyone? Nope... I have "stood my ground" a few times while armed and a few of these the person on the hot end of the gun knew it to be so... Brent

March 16, 2013, 01:01 PM	#11
Wyosmith Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2010 Location: Shoshoni Wyoming Posts: 2,713	I killed an attacking Doberman dog when I was 16 years old with a Beretta BL3 over/under shotgun and a load of #7 ½ bird shot. It killed the big dog instantly. He was only about 10 feet from me and coming straight at me with teeth barred and snarling. I shot him in the front of his chest. That was MANY years ago.

March 16, 2013, 01:47 PM	#12
roadrocket Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Posts: 72	i think i will change my mind about holidaying in america this year.

March 16, 2013, 03:53 PM	#17
scrubcedar Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2012 Location: Southwestern Colorado Posts: 507	"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life". Robert A Heinlein __________________ Gaily bedight, A gallant knight In sunshine and in shadow, Had journeyed long, Singing a song, In search of El Dorado

March 16, 2013, 08:50 PM	#19
Pezo Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2005 Location: Vernors and orange barrels. Posts: 661	My shtf gun is a mossberg 590 a1. Awesome shotgun. A aquaintance of mine would keep a loaded shotgun by his bed when his daughters ex boy friend stalker would come by (Stalker actually had a written plan later confiscated by police on how he was going to kidnap her and well you know) That shotgun was a good reassurance during tough times.

March 16, 2013, 11:57 PM	#20
CLC Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2011 Posts: 603	Lol I find it humorous when foreigners watch the news and think America is a horrible place. I could make assumptions of ireland as well. __________________ In god we trust, all others must pay cash.

March 17, 2013, 01:15 AM	#21
SHR970 Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 1,427	Let me see Wiki data says Ireland: Pop. 6,399,115 Area:32,595 sq. mi. (2011 data) City of Los Angeles Pop. 3,792,621* Area 503 sq. mi. (2010 data) or 59.3% of your population in an area 1/65th the size. Los Angeles County Pop. 9,962,789* Area: 4,752 sq. mi. or 55.7% more people in an area 1/7th the size. There are 14 cities with populations between 100k and 500k in this county. State finance data shows that these numbers are on the low side. L.A. data Trying to compare Ireland rates with US rates is an apples to pineapples comparison. Not only does it not take into account your long standing tradition of firearm restrictions, it also does not take into account significant regional differences such as demographics, population density, population hemegony, legal hemegony (each of our states has its own laws), etc. You may want to look at states like Washington that have a similar number of people (they do have twice the land area), Tennessee (pop similar; land a 1/3 more), or others along that line. Last edited by SHR970; March 17, 2013 at 11:21 AM.

March 17, 2013, 08:58 AM	#22
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	And until reporting agencies use the same parameters for reporting crime data... You will never see a fair comparison... Brent

March 17, 2013, 09:01 AM	#23
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Roadrocket, I see no reason for you to fear us American folks... No one seems to have professed to be a hunting guide during "Tourist Season"... (if they call it Tourist season... why can't we hu8nt them???).... Just don't go acting like a thug criminal and don't get too drunk as to go breaking into the wrong house to sleep on the couch... you will be okay... Brent

March 17, 2013, 10:02 AM	#25
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	I Have. 2 burglars were attempting to break into the back door. I grabbed the shotgun, and came around from the gate into the back yard. Cops came gave them a ride plus meals and board (said I should have let them open the door first.) I hope both of those teenagers have since taken up another trade. __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes