Guide rod damage question

Jeryray · March 18, 2017, 12:29 AM

These are photos of my new Sig super match. Used some federal SWC loads.

I think I just need the guide rod. Sig wants me to send the gun in, just got it 2 weeks ago.

What do you guys think?

FrankenMauser · March 18, 2017, 01:26 AM

Ship it to Sig.

Aside from the fact that something's clearly wrong...
Unless you've done something to it that you don't want them to see, what do you have to lose?

KEYBEAR · March 18, 2017, 07:13 AM

Sig really needs to look at it if it happens again later you may have a big problem

Jeryray · March 18, 2017, 07:43 AM

My concerns are:

It was just hot loads, I won't do that again.

Sif says they will email a FedEx shipping label.

Can I just drop it in this manner.

Is it safe to ship without going through a dealer?

Is just a fedEx receipt good enough?

g.willikers · March 18, 2017, 09:30 AM

There could be other things causing this besides hot loads.
If you send the pistol back to Sig, they will no doubt replace everything that could be remotely responsible and you will have essentially a brand new gun.
It would be foolish for them to do anything else.

As for the shipping question, federal law is agreeable to shipping and receiving directly to the manufacturer, but NY law... that could be another matter.
Best check with someone who knows NY laws.

mete · March 18, 2017, 09:37 AM

Does that pistol say " target loads only " ?

g.willikers · March 18, 2017, 09:46 AM

If this particular model of yours is chambered for .45acp, it's going to be difficult to cause harm with such a relatively low pressure round.
It would take a really hot load, (huge reloading error) to do that.

If you want to play with it to see what's what, try this:
Remove the recoil spring and slowly work the action, looking for resistance.
Also rotate the recoil rod on a smooth surface, like a piece of plate glass, to see if it's bent or wobbles.

Scorch · March 18, 2017, 02:52 PM

SIG wants to repair the gun under warranty. You don't want to send it to them?

If you are confused about legality of shipping the gun directly to SIG and receiving it back again, go to your local FFL and have them log it in and handle the shipment. Although I am fairly sure SIG is familiar with your local gun laws, I don't know what kind of foolishness NYC has been up to lately, so this might be a safe way to handle the whole affair.

michaeldarnold · March 18, 2017, 03:32 PM

Send to them on their dime.

Don P · March 18, 2017, 03:56 PM

Quote:

If you are confused about legality of shipping the gun directly to SIG and receiving it back again, go to your local FFL and have them log it in and handle the shipment. Although I am fairly sure SIG is familiar with your local gun laws, I don't know what kind of foolishness NYC has been up to lately, so this might be a safe way to handle the whole affair.

Nonsense, why do you assume NYC when he states NY area perfectly legal to ship a handgun back to the manufacturer and for them to ship it back to you. getting a FFL dealer involved is just complicating things and adding expense for nothing.

arquebus357 · March 19, 2017, 10:43 PM

^^^^^^
People don't realize that once you are free of NYC metro, New York state is the boondocks. I can attest to this by once living in Dutchess County, NY after living in Queens County NY.

Jeryray · March 19, 2017, 11:25 PM

NYC would just love to find any excuse to cancel your permit.

Once you have 5 guns, they can do spot inspections.

You think showing them a fedex label would satisfy them?

And you best not have more than 4 boxes of any ammo either.

We can't even leave the 5 boroughs to Nassau or Suffolk shooting ranges.

FrankenMauser · March 20, 2017, 02:46 AM

Quote:

People don't realize that once you are free of NYC metro, New York state is the boondocks. I can attest to this by once living in Dutchess County, NY after living in Queens County NY.

I've lived in "upstate" (

) NY, as well.
The whole state is a nightmare.

I wouldn't even come close to rating Dutchess County as "the boondocks". They're still stupidly restrictive, incredibly anti-gun, and anti-American.

I wouldn't even consider entertaining the term, "the boondocks" until north of at least the 42nd Parallel. But, as mentioned above, that's still out of reach, in my opinion and given the inference (of lax firearms laws) from the context.

Jeryray ...
Fight or Flight.

Jeryray · March 22, 2017, 11:37 PM

Received the new guide rod, shot 2 boxes and there is no damage, seems ok now..

arquebus357 · March 23, 2017, 04:36 PM

That was fast.

Good results YAY.

Jeryray · March 23, 2017, 11:26 PM

It was fast because I paid SIG $24 for 2 day shipping.

Just wanted to see what was what.

Seems fine, just takes a lot of strength to move the slide back.

March 18, 2017, 01:26 AM	#2
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	Ship it to Sig. Aside from the fact that something's clearly wrong... Unless you've done something to it that you don't want them to see, what do you have to lose? __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

March 18, 2017, 09:30 AM	#5
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	There could be other things causing this besides hot loads. If you send the pistol back to Sig, they will no doubt replace everything that could be remotely responsible and you will have essentially a brand new gun. It would be foolish for them to do anything else. As for the shipping question, federal law is agreeable to shipping and receiving directly to the manufacturer, but NY law... that could be another matter. Best check with someone who knows NY laws. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.” Last edited by g.willikers; March 18, 2017 at 09:36 AM.

March 18, 2017, 09:37 AM	#6
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	Does that pistol say " target loads only " ? __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

March 18, 2017, 09:46 AM	#7
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	If this particular model of yours is chambered for .45acp, it's going to be difficult to cause harm with such a relatively low pressure round. It would take a really hot load, (huge reloading error) to do that. If you want to play with it to see what's what, try this: Remove the recoil spring and slowly work the action, looking for resistance. Also rotate the recoil rod on a smooth surface, like a piece of plate glass, to see if it's bent or wobbles. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.” Last edited by g.willikers; March 18, 2017 at 09:53 AM.

March 18, 2017, 02:52 PM	#8
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	SIG wants to repair the gun under warranty. You don't want to send it to them? If you are confused about legality of shipping the gun directly to SIG and receiving it back again, go to your local FFL and have them log it in and handle the shipment. Although I am fairly sure SIG is familiar with your local gun laws, I don't know what kind of foolishness NYC has been up to lately, so this might be a safe way to handle the whole affair. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

March 18, 2017, 07:13 AM	#3
KEYBEAR Senior Member Join Date: January 11, 2012 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,059	Sig really needs to look at it if it happens again later you may have a big problem

March 18, 2017, 07:43 AM	#4
Jeryray Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2016 Location: NY Area Posts: 310	My concerns are: It was just hot loads, I won't do that again. Sif says they will email a FedEx shipping label. Can I just drop it in this manner. Is it safe to ship without going through a dealer? Is just a fedEx receipt good enough?

March 18, 2017, 03:32 PM	#9
michaeldarnold Senior Member Join Date: April 8, 2016 Location: St. Louis Suburbs Posts: 137	Send to them on their dime.

March 19, 2017, 10:43 PM	#11
arquebus357 Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2016 Location: Atlanta, Georgia area Posts: 455	^^^^^^ People don't realize that once you are free of NYC metro, New York state is the boondocks. I can attest to this by once living in Dutchess County, NY after living in Queens County NY.

March 19, 2017, 11:25 PM	#12
Jeryray Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2016 Location: NY Area Posts: 310	NYC would just love to find any excuse to cancel your permit. Once you have 5 guns, they can do spot inspections. You think showing them a fedex label would satisfy them? And you best not have more than 4 boxes of any ammo either. We can't even leave the 5 boroughs to Nassau or Suffolk shooting ranges.

March 22, 2017, 11:37 PM	#14
Jeryray Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2016 Location: NY Area Posts: 310	Received the new guide rod, shot 2 boxes and there is no damage, seems ok now..

March 23, 2017, 04:36 PM	#15
arquebus357 Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2016 Location: Atlanta, Georgia area Posts: 455	That was fast. Good results YAY.

March 23, 2017, 11:26 PM	#16
Jeryray Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2016 Location: NY Area Posts: 310	It was fast because I paid SIG $24 for 2 day shipping. Just wanted to see what was what. Seems fine, just takes a lot of strength to move the slide back.

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