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LKC · May 23, 2001, 02:36 PM

VIBRATORS!!! I don't believe this but....it appears that the MMM'ers of California feel that they have a right to "keep and bear vibrators".

Don't believe me? Here check it out...maybe someone would like to send them a copy of the Bill of Rights and point out to them that this right does not exist in OUR BofR!

http://www.mmmsfbayarea.org/

Have fun and play nice.

KC

Jim March · May 23, 2001, 02:58 PM

WE DAMN WELL DO HAVE A RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR VIBRATORS!

OK, some remedial history of the Bill of Rights is in order.

At the time our Constitution and BoR was being crafted, there was a strong opinion floating around NOT to do a BoR at all. Not because the anti-BoR people were against those rights, but because they feared that later generations might mistakenly feel that the BoR lists ALL the rights of free citizens of a Constitutional Republic.

That simply ain't the case. The 9th and 10th Amendments helped clarify the idea that rights are inherent in the people but your demonstrated ignorance shows that the anti-BoR approach may have been the better plan. That crowd wanted to limit the powers of government to certain very explicit areas and everything else...well hell, that's what freedom is all about.

Jim

LKC · May 23, 2001, 03:03 PM

*ahem*
Allow me to clarify.....haha It is not specifically mentioned in the BofR and is thereby relegated to the states.

IF the states see fit to outlaw them then it is not a federal case....unless someone were to take it to the US Supreme Court and argue it.

I see from their page....and I don't believe much of what they say in the first place....that they think/believe that vibrators are illegal in several states. This would tell me...if they are correct...that there IS no Constitutionally protected right to vibrators. Unless there was no one with enough guts to take it to the federal level at the time these laws were passed.

Am I wrong on this? If I am tell me...I can take it! haha

cya KC

scud · May 23, 2001, 03:06 PM

The MMM can stick their vibrators right up their.... oh, wait, they already did.

yes, I couldn't resist the low brow humor. It is not surprising they would use that specific object to "relate" to their peers for obvious reasons though.

LKC · May 23, 2001, 03:16 PM

And actually JM... I am not quite as ignorant about the BofR as you may think. I have done quite a bit of studying on that very document and the document that it amends.

Probably the first thing that I learned was the basic precept that you just described. The second thing that I learned was that our first 10 amendments were not amendments at all! They were articles and should be called that to this day. To call them amendments implies that they CHANGED something when in fact the states refused to ratify the Constitution as drawn up. Therefore they became a PART of that document and should not be allowed to be touched.

Is that ok? Please don't assume much...I just don't go into as much detail in a post as I should.

KC

George Hill · May 23, 2001, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Dear Million Mom March Members, Marchers and Supporters:

Did you know . . .

SELLING A VIBRATOR IS ILLEGAL IN ALABAMA, ARKANSAS, GEORGIA, OHIO AND TEXAS! MEANWHILE, THE CASUAL SALE OF HANDGUNS IS LEGAL IN ALL 50 STATES.

In addition . . . vibrators, teddy bears, water guns and even stun guns, in other words, virtually every consumer item sold in stores can be recalled for manufacture defects. Handguns can not, they are not subject to Consumer Protect Safety Protect standards.

As we prepare to spend our second Mother's Day away from the traditional events of the day it may help to remember why we continue to march.

Oh Please! There is no such thing as a casual firearms sale. You dont have to fill out state and federal paperwork to buy a Dcell dildo... And Consumer Protection?
No Recalls? Did I miss something here? I have NEVER heard of a modern gun company refusing to satisfy a customer with a problem... I have seen "Recalls" printed in gun rags where the company faced problem - took it on the chin - and took back and repaired everything that was sent it.
You will not see any better customer service in any industry and this isnt something that required government to control.
What pisses me off is the bad light they are casting the gun industry in. You can not find better people than those in OUR industry.

LKC · May 23, 2001, 03:19 PM

HAHAHA Good post.

I noticed that they don't have a warning on there about sticking electrical appliances IN your body either....Hmmmm

Kinda makes you wonder what they consider 'safe'?!

KC

Noban · May 23, 2001, 04:25 PM

Sent this little note off to her.

I can see why you feel that guns should be subject to the same standards as dildos, as they share similar traits. For example, neither product is harmful unless used incorrectly, neither is very effective if a battery goes dead, and both are easily concealed (with the advantage going to the dildo). In addition, both products are idealy suited for the bedroom and can often be found in the bedside table - they just have slightly different applications.

However, I would hate to have to defend myself, my family or even you with a dildo. My handguns were designed to operate simply and efficiently, and would be compromised by adding feathers, batteries or switches, unlike your dildo. I agree with strict regulation of teddy bears and other toys - they're marketed to children. I don't know why they regulate dildos and don't really care. Firearms are for adults like myself and millions of others who take personal responsibility for handling dangerous implements. You stick to the dildo and we'll all be safer.

Mr. James · May 23, 2001, 04:47 PM

Well struck, Noban.

DorGunR · May 23, 2001, 05:05 PM

Noban
You Sir are THE MAN.

George Hill · May 23, 2001, 07:20 PM

Noban... if you get a reply - forward that to me please...

I wish I could see the reactions that got!

RWK · May 23, 2001, 07:33 PM

A tip of the old cap to you sir

Gunslinger · May 23, 2001, 07:48 PM

Gee thanks Noban, thanks a lot. I was just getting over this back surgery and now I think you have caused me to re-injure myself.

Reading that post was painful it was so funny.

dZ · May 23, 2001, 08:29 PM

if a vibrator was part of a militiaman's standard kit then citizens have a right to bear them in a well regulated fashion.

Gunslinger · May 23, 2001, 09:28 PM

Guys, guys, guys. Before we beat them up too bad over this let's at least try to be fair. I seriously doubt if even they feel it is safe for anyone to have one with more than a ten battery capacity.........or God, at least I hope!

GSB · May 23, 2001, 09:36 PM

You are all missing the point that the Constitution was referring to the ability of the individual states to own vibrators (stored in an appropriate armory... um... vibratory) for times of emergency. The simple fact is that the Founders could not have conceived of these devices of mass stimulation (some of them fully automatic, battery operated ones), and would have themselves moved to outlaw them.

I suppose those of you who support this mythical "individual right" to own a vibrator want children to be able to walk into any corner store and buy such a device?

C.R.Sam · May 23, 2001, 09:39 PM

'Slinger.....some are fully automatic, run on AC house power and can go indefinately.....lessen you be in kalifornia.

Sam

GSB · May 23, 2001, 09:41 PM

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the vibrator. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your vibrator therefore be your constant companion of your walks."

--- Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.

sig970 · May 23, 2001, 09:58 PM

Personal sidenote

In my 15 years in emergency room settings, I have to report that I have seen many more Dildo induced injuries, than Firearms related injuries. Now, I have to admit that I do not work in a federally funded trauma center, just a (small?) medical center with a 50 bed ER. People do show up Shot, but as I said, dildo injuries, along with coke bottles, flashlites, curling irons, eightballs, lightbulbs, Ken doll heads, assorted fruits& vegetables, 35mm film canisters, crayons, candles, condoms filled with drugs(hopefully intact), and the odd kitchen utensil, are much more frequent.

Should we follow the lead of the Million Mom Marchers, and ask for regulations on any item that has the potential for injury? If a person comes to the ER, wearing her MMM shirt, and has a dildo stuck up her, or her husbands *ss, should I bring up the aspect of registration, and a 5 day waiting period for Dildos? Should we close the Dildo loopHOLE? Should we appoint a commitee to assure america that there are no casual dildo sales? Do we need a regulatory group to make sure every Dildo is manufactured safely, that it has a proper locking system, and to make sure they are stored safely in the home. I like the idea of a smart Dildo, one that will only vibrate in it owners hands. I also have no problem about not taking a Dildo into any federal building and/or courthouse.

Funny or not, everytime I visit the MMM site I always leave with a puzzled look on my face. I am the first one to always include the word RESPONSIBLE with firearm ownership, and use, but they are way off the mark. I want to know where they get their statistics. Read the statistics about firearm related crime dropping in the UK since guns were banned. I lived in England for 3 years, and have friends over there still. Those statistics are flawed IMHO.

Hope I didn't offend anyone with the Dildo rant.

Monkeyleg · May 23, 2001, 10:23 PM

Any stats on gerbils?

Dick

inGobwetrust · May 23, 2001, 10:58 PM

Have there been any tests done using vibrators and ballistic gelatin? I'm sure Marshall Sanow must have done some research. Vibrators tend to come in larger calibers but suffer from poor velocity as compared to common handgun calibers though most models have a very high ballistic coeficient and usually achieve 100% penetration! Accuracy also tends to be outstanding as they almost always hit where they are aimed.

Sorry.

PATH · May 23, 2001, 11:08 PM

I can't believe all this by the MMM! Only in amerika!

Byron Quick · May 23, 2001, 11:19 PM

sig970 is correct as usual about the injuries between the dildo and the firearm. But you didn't mention the raw eggs, man-where they don't come to the ED for several days.

Byron Quick

AnotherPundit · May 24, 2001, 12:21 AM

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LawDog · May 24, 2001, 02:17 AM

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May 23, 2001, 02:58 PM	#2
Jim March Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 1999 Location: Pittsburg, CA, USA Posts: 7,417	Ummm...KC? One detail you're missing... WE DAMN WELL DO HAVE A RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR VIBRATORS! OK, some remedial history of the Bill of Rights is in order. At the time our Constitution and BoR was being crafted, there was a strong opinion floating around NOT to do a BoR at all. Not because the anti-BoR people were against those rights, but because they feared that later generations might mistakenly feel that the BoR lists ALL the rights of free citizens of a Constitutional Republic. That simply ain't the case. The 9th and 10th Amendments helped clarify the idea that rights are inherent in the people but your demonstrated ignorance shows that the anti-BoR approach may have been the better plan. That crowd wanted to limit the powers of government to certain very explicit areas and everything else...well hell, that's what freedom is all about. Jim

May 23, 2001, 04:47 PM	#9
Mr. James Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2001 Location: The Old Dominion Posts: 1,521	Well struck, Noban. __________________ "...A humble and contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise." Ps. li "When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law." —Frederic Bastiat

May 23, 2001, 05:05 PM	#10
DorGunR Senior Member Join Date: January 13, 2000 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,125	Noban You Sir are THE MAN. __________________ "Lead, follow or get the HELL out of the way." U.S. Army 1950 - 1972 NRA Life Member Vietnam 1966/67 - 1969/70

May 23, 2001, 07:33 PM	#12
RWK Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 1999 Location: Occupied Virginia Posts: 2,777	Noban A tip of the old cap to you sir __________________ __________________ Μολών λαβέ!

May 23, 2001, 10:58 PM	#21
inGobwetrust Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2001 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 179	Have there been any tests done using vibrators and ballistic gelatin? I'm sure Marshall Sanow must have done some research. Vibrators tend to come in larger calibers but suffer from poor velocity as compared to common handgun calibers though most models have a very high ballistic coeficient and usually achieve 100% penetration! Accuracy also tends to be outstanding as they almost always hit where they are aimed. Sorry. __________________ "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" George Orwell

May 23, 2001, 02:36 PM	#1
LKC Junior Member Join Date: May 14, 2001 Location: Waterwood, Texas Posts: 9	VIBRATORS!!! I don't believe this but....it appears that the MMM'ers of California feel that they have a right to "keep and bear vibrators". Don't believe me? Here check it out...maybe someone would like to send them a copy of the Bill of Rights and point out to them that this right does not exist in OUR BofR! http://www.mmmsfbayarea.org/ Have fun and play nice. KC

May 23, 2001, 03:03 PM	#3
LKC Junior Member Join Date: May 14, 2001 Location: Waterwood, Texas Posts: 9	ahem Allow me to clarify.....haha It is not specifically mentioned in the BofR and is thereby relegated to the states. IF the states see fit to outlaw them then it is not a federal case....unless someone were to take it to the US Supreme Court and argue it. I see from their page....and I don't believe much of what they say in the first place....that they think/believe that vibrators are illegal in several states. This would tell me...if they are correct...that there IS no Constitutionally protected right to vibrators. Unless there was no one with enough guts to take it to the federal level at the time these laws were passed. Am I wrong on this? If I am tell me...I can take it! haha cya KC

May 23, 2001, 03:06 PM	#4
scud Senior Member Join Date: February 4, 2000 Location: Tampa FL Posts: 1,094	The MMM can stick their vibrators right up their.... oh, wait, they already did. yes, I couldn't resist the low brow humor. It is not surprising they would use that specific object to "relate" to their peers for obvious reasons though.

May 23, 2001, 03:16 PM	#5
LKC Junior Member Join Date: May 14, 2001 Location: Waterwood, Texas Posts: 9	And actually JM... I am not quite as ignorant about the BofR as you may think. I have done quite a bit of studying on that very document and the document that it amends. Probably the first thing that I learned was the basic precept that you just described. The second thing that I learned was that our first 10 amendments were not amendments at all! They were articles and should be called that to this day. To call them amendments implies that they CHANGED something when in fact the states refused to ratify the Constitution as drawn up. Therefore they became a PART of that document and should not be allowed to be touched. Is that ok? Please don't assume much...I just don't go into as much detail in a post as I should. KC

May 23, 2001, 03:19 PM	#7
LKC Junior Member Join Date: May 14, 2001 Location: Waterwood, Texas Posts: 9	HAHAHA Good post. I noticed that they don't have a warning on there about sticking electrical appliances IN your body either....Hmmmm Kinda makes you wonder what they consider 'safe'?! KC

May 23, 2001, 04:25 PM	#8
Noban Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 1999 Posts: 662	Sent this little note off to her. I can see why you feel that guns should be subject to the same standards as dildos, as they share similar traits. For example, neither product is harmful unless used incorrectly, neither is very effective if a battery goes dead, and both are easily concealed (with the advantage going to the dildo). In addition, both products are idealy suited for the bedroom and can often be found in the bedside table - they just have slightly different applications. However, I would hate to have to defend myself, my family or even you with a dildo. My handguns were designed to operate simply and efficiently, and would be compromised by adding feathers, batteries or switches, unlike your dildo. I agree with strict regulation of teddy bears and other toys - they're marketed to children. I don't know why they regulate dildos and don't really care. Firearms are for adults like myself and millions of others who take personal responsibility for handling dangerous implements. You stick to the dildo and we'll all be safer.

May 23, 2001, 07:20 PM	#11
George Hill Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,546	Noban... if you get a reply - forward that to me please... I wish I could see the reactions that got!

May 23, 2001, 07:48 PM	#13
Gunslinger Junior member Join Date: January 5, 1999 Location: Springfield, Missouri Posts: 2,105	Gee thanks Noban, thanks a lot. I was just getting over this back surgery and now I think you have caused me to re-injure myself. Reading that post was painful it was so funny.

May 23, 2001, 08:29 PM	#14
dZ Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: Exiled, Fetid Swamp, DC Posts: 7,548	if a vibrator was part of a militiaman's standard kit then citizens have a right to bear them in a well regulated fashion.

May 23, 2001, 09:28 PM	#15
Gunslinger Junior member Join Date: January 5, 1999 Location: Springfield, Missouri Posts: 2,105	Guys, guys, guys. Before we beat them up too bad over this let's at least try to be fair. I seriously doubt if even they feel it is safe for anyone to have one with more than a ten battery capacity.........or God, at least I hope!

May 23, 2001, 09:36 PM	#16
GSB Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 939	You are all missing the point that the Constitution was referring to the ability of the individual states to own vibrators (stored in an appropriate armory... um... vibratory) for times of emergency. The simple fact is that the Founders could not have conceived of these devices of mass stimulation (some of them fully automatic, battery operated ones), and would have themselves moved to outlaw them. I suppose those of you who support this mythical "individual right" to own a vibrator want children to be able to walk into any corner store and buy such a device?

May 23, 2001, 09:39 PM	#17
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	'Slinger.....some are fully automatic, run on AC house power and can go indefinately.....lessen you be in kalifornia. Sam

May 23, 2001, 09:41 PM	#18
GSB Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 939	"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the vibrator. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your vibrator therefore be your constant companion of your walks." --- Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.

May 23, 2001, 09:58 PM	#19
sig970 Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2001 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 354	Personal sidenote In my 15 years in emergency room settings, I have to report that I have seen many more Dildo induced injuries, than Firearms related injuries. Now, I have to admit that I do not work in a federally funded trauma center, just a (small?) medical center with a 50 bed ER. People do show up Shot, but as I said, dildo injuries, along with coke bottles, flashlites, curling irons, eightballs, lightbulbs, Ken doll heads, assorted fruits& vegetables, 35mm film canisters, crayons, candles, condoms filled with drugs(hopefully intact), and the odd kitchen utensil, are much more frequent. Should we follow the lead of the Million Mom Marchers, and ask for regulations on any item that has the potential for injury? If a person comes to the ER, wearing her MMM shirt, and has a dildo stuck up her, or her husbands *ss, should I bring up the aspect of registration, and a 5 day waiting period for Dildos? Should we close the Dildo loopHOLE? Should we appoint a commitee to assure america that there are no casual dildo sales? Do we need a regulatory group to make sure every Dildo is manufactured safely, that it has a proper locking system, and to make sure they are stored safely in the home. I like the idea of a smart Dildo, one that will only vibrate in it owners hands. I also have no problem about not taking a Dildo into any federal building and/or courthouse. Funny or not, everytime I visit the MMM site I always leave with a puzzled look on my face. I am the first one to always include the word RESPONSIBLE with firearm ownership, and use, but they are way off the mark. I want to know where they get their statistics. Read the statistics about firearm related crime dropping in the UK since guns were banned. I lived in England for 3 years, and have friends over there still. Those statistics are flawed IMHO. Hope I didn't offend anyone with the Dildo rant.

May 23, 2001, 10:23 PM	#20
Monkeyleg Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2000 Posts: 4,625	Any stats on gerbils? Dick

May 23, 2001, 11:08 PM	#22
PATH Senior Member Join Date: September 10, 1999 Location: Rockland, NY Posts: 1,489	I can't believe all this by the MMM! Only in amerika! __________________ For sure it is an evil spite, and breaking to the heart, For Irishmen to watch a fight and not be taking part. -Robert Service 'How MacPherson Held The Floor'

May 23, 2001, 11:19 PM	#23
Byron Quick Staff In Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Waynesboro, Georgia, USA Posts: 2,361	sig970 is correct as usual about the injuries between the dildo and the firearm. But you didn't mention the raw eggs, man-where they don't come to the ED for several days. Byron Quick

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