Bison 9mm

Azrael256 · January 4, 2002, 01:53 PM

I'm curious to know if anybody has seen one of these things before. If you haven't, it's a 9mm SMG based on the AK frame. It's blowback operated, 700rpm, 64 round helical magazine, etc. It uses the 9x18 "special". It's supposed to be more powerful than the standard 9x18. Anybody actually seen one of these? Anybody have any data on the 9x18 "special"?

MLC · January 4, 2002, 03:28 PM

http://club.guns.ru/eng/bizon.html
http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/posts/33.html
http://www.izhmash.udm.ru/arms/bizon2.html
Google search, the muzzle velocity looks ok, probably a 90 grain bullet though.

Jake 98c/11b · January 4, 2002, 04:29 PM

Haven't looked at the links HKLVR posted so this may be a rehash but the ammo is higher pressure (velocity) and uses a bullet of a different composition and shape to defeat hard targets. it will, however, use the standard 9x18 without a problem. I wish I could say I have actually handled one but I haven't had the opportunity. I did paw over the supressed 9mm AK variant last month. While I am not an AK fan I would likely make an exception for that one.

max popenker · January 9, 2002, 01:14 AM

I've had the chance to hold (not shoot it, thoug

) a Bizon-2 this year. It is simply blowback operated design. Available in choice of calibers - 9mm Short AKA .380ACP, 9x18mm PM/PMM, 9mm Luger and 7.62x25mm TT (latter - with the 32 rd curved box magazine, others with helical drums). The helical drum is very comfortable to hold, the rear grip currently is shaped more like of H&K MP-5 than of AK-74 (very comfortable). Overall, it is a great police entry weapon - a hell of a lot of short-range firepower, very controllable, available with noise dampers, LAMs, red dot sights etc.

January 4, 2002, 01:53 PM	#1
Azrael256 Senior Member Join Date: November 27, 2001 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 547	Bison 9mm I'm curious to know if anybody has seen one of these things before. If you haven't, it's a 9mm SMG based on the AK frame. It's blowback operated, 700rpm, 64 round helical magazine, etc. It uses the 9x18 "special". It's supposed to be more powerful than the standard 9x18. Anybody actually seen one of these? Anybody have any data on the 9x18 "special"?

January 4, 2002, 03:28 PM	#2
MLC Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2001 Location: New Hope, PA Posts: 230	http://club.guns.ru/eng/bizon.html http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/posts/33.html http://www.izhmash.udm.ru/arms/bizon2.html Google search, the muzzle velocity looks ok, probably a 90 grain bullet though.

January 4, 2002, 04:29 PM	#3
Jake 98c/11b Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 1999 Posts: 471	Haven't looked at the links HKLVR posted so this may be a rehash but the ammo is higher pressure (velocity) and uses a bullet of a different composition and shape to defeat hard targets. it will, however, use the standard 9x18 without a problem. I wish I could say I have actually handled one but I haven't had the opportunity. I did paw over the supressed 9mm AK variant last month. While I am not an AK fan I would likely make an exception for that one.