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August 14, 2017, 07:42 PM | #1 |
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Wolf Ammo Advisory For M&P 15
Was on the Wolf Ammo site and came across this... and I have a M&P 15 and Wolf ammo..
*** Advisory Warning - June 8, 2017 *** WOLF Performance Ammunition has received notifications relating to Smith & Wesson M&P-15 rifles that are discharging out of battery which is evidenced by a lack of damage to the chamber and barrel extension. This shows that the rifle’s bolt did not lock into the barrel, yet the hammer was still able to strike the firing pin to detonate the cartridge and cause a failure. These failures can cause major damage to the firearm and bodily injury. As a result, WOLF Ammunition does NOT recommend using our ammunition with any Smith and Wesson M&P-15 rifles until this issue is resolved. Moving forward, WOLF’s 100% Performance Guarantee will not cover any damages associated with Smith & Wesson M&P 15 rifle or rifle created failures exhibiting the above described characteristics. |
August 15, 2017, 01:36 PM | #2 |
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What a scary situation. I'm always afraid of an out of battery event.
Does anyone know if a steel cased cartridge explodes with more force than a brass cartridge? |
August 15, 2017, 02:10 PM | #3 |
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Why would out of battery discharges be limited to the M&P15 and Wolf ammo? The rifle design and ammo are both quote common. Why is Wolf naming the M&P15 only?
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August 15, 2017, 02:26 PM | #4 |
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And that was kinda my second question.
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The 15-22 either is or was prohibited from some Appleseed events because of OOB events, even though it doesn't seem to differ in any important way from a bunch of other semi-automatic 22lrs, just as the S&W AR15 is just an AR15. Odd.
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August 15, 2017, 03:07 PM | #6 |
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I think they are alleging a defect in design, materials, or workmanship without actually making that statement
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but its cheaper so people keep scarfing it up. |
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August 16, 2017, 11:40 AM | #8 |
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My guess is that one person had an out of battery event with a M&P-15, and this is a CYA measure by Wolf.
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August 16, 2017, 12:10 PM | #9 |
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I would think if you had problems with one reputable AR manufacturer then you'd have problems in others as well.
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August 18, 2017, 04:26 AM | #10 |
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Shoot brass in an AR and leave the rod home used to punch out stuck cases. S&W builds their products to the same industry specifications as other manufacturers, Wolf should expand their warning to explain why this one manufacturer is singled out from the remainder.
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August 18, 2017, 06:53 AM | #11 |
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Actually, those two paragraphs don't tell you if it's their steel, brass, or both cases.
Wolf sells the cheapest and good brass 223. I've got 1000s. |
August 18, 2017, 07:41 AM | #12 |
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I recently had a out of battery discharge on my side charging 3 Gun AR. It was caused by a high primer on a 5.56 round with Lake City brass. I knew the primer was high and had meant to ease the bolt down then fire the round. But in a moment of complete stupidity, I pulled the charging handle back and let it go. Didn't think it did much damage at first, just had a stuck case that I couldn't get out. It blew with about 1/5 of the case out of the chamber. Later I discovered the barrel had rotated around 1/4" and sheared off the bolt extension pin. I was lucky. Learn a lesson. Won't be firing high primers again or trying push the primers in of loaded rounds on my reloading press.
Fortunately, the barrel manufacturer is going to replace the pin for me. If not, the barrel would be toast since your can't really replace the barrel extension on a completed AR barrel. |
August 18, 2017, 08:15 AM | #13 |
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It is interesting that they do not say what Wolf ammo is the problem. Steel cased Wolf is made by Tula. The brass cased ammo is made in Taiwan.
Anyone know which they are referring to?
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August 18, 2017, 09:17 AM | #14 |
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I really want a mechanical explanation of why one particular rifle is singled out. Unless the M&P has some parts seriously out of spec, I don't see how it's even possible.
In the absence of that specific information (or details on which type if wolf ammo had thd discharge), I'm inclined to believe it's a generic CYA to lay blame on the rifle manufacturer until they figure out exactly what happened. That may change as more facts come in, but right now we just don't have the relevant information. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk |
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Just out of curiosity, did you load the round on a progressive press???
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August 18, 2017, 03:32 PM | #16 |
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No response from Wolf from their facebook page message.
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August 18, 2017, 05:39 PM | #19 |
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Check HERE for the warning from Wolf.
The problem is the rifle fires the cases while out of battery. It sounds like there is a problem with the specific firearm and not the ammo. The warning is not limited to their steel cased ammo. |
August 18, 2017, 05:41 PM | #20 |
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It's on Wolf's website,
http://wolfammo.com/advisory.aspx It says it's wolf performance ammunition. I don't know if all of it is performance ammunition as they call it or a specific product. Interestingly enough, they're peddling uppers. |
August 18, 2017, 05:42 PM | #21 |
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Oops, too slow
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August 18, 2017, 05:43 PM | #22 |
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Not by much!
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This is a quote from the S&W forum. One of the moderators in the M&P 15 section of the forum called Wolf. This is what they said.
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August 19, 2017, 08:40 AM | #24 |
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They going to buy back their ammo or should I use this as a credit card dispute.
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So I do not believe you are going to be getting any $$$ back from Wolf and you will lose your CC dispute because 100% of all ammo sales by retailers are no refund type of sales. Unless you have an out of spec BCG shoot the ammo and enjoy.
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