March 7, 2018, 08:44 PM | #1 |
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The Future of Arms?
The Second Amendment protects not just firearms; but arms generally. As we continue into the 21st century, there are major advances in arms technology in the future. This fictional film was created to promote a campaign against artifical intelligence in military drones; but it illustrates a potential future that isn‘t far-fetched: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9CO6M2HsoIA
Things like telescoped cartridges, man-portable lasers, printing and milling machines that will let you manufacture modern firearms in your own home, the ability to edit people’s genes without their knowledge or consent... What kinds of arms are necessary to make the Second Amendment relevant in the 21st century? When a government can crank out a limitless drone army that loyally follows orders, does it need to consider what its populace wants? |
March 7, 2018, 09:24 PM | #2 |
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I would like to believe that Arms would mean any device that a person believes is needed to assure ones safety or defense of Liberty.
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March 7, 2018, 09:50 PM | #3 |
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For many years now, the military and police have been allowed to get fairly ordinary firearms that a decent American can't buy.
Drone army or not, you and me are already outgunned. And that's not even mentioning tanks, jets or wmd. But as for lasers, couple Grand gets you a laser capable of cutting rocks in half, smaller than your fridge. Obviously not man portable, but very much a weapon of incredible power. And not to my knowledge regulated sells. Home manafacture, rifling and semi auto takes tools, but a smoothbore break action, I could probably build one in an hour. Or, a few rolls of duct tape and I got a homemade cannon (see mythbusters).
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March 7, 2018, 10:04 PM | #4 |
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Like Blue said, we lost parity long long ago.
I would imagine things like pulse rifles, lasers, etc will probably be regulated out of civilian hands once they get to a point they're practical weapons. |
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The very idea of an armed citizen is not to win a war outright. It would be impossible. Think of one man with an AR-15 against a raiding party equipped with M203s and armored assault vehicles. It would be suicide. But if that man knows how to fight from a concealed position and is a decent marksman, he can take out a sizeable number of the oppressing force. Sure, he would probably not make it out alive in the end, but he has made it highly costly, demoralizing and terrifying for that oppressing force, as opposed to someone who will meekly surrender and follow his captors. And if that oppressing army is conducting nationwide raids against similar citizens for similar political or ideological offenses, and just 10 percent of the victims had replied by fighting back and inflicting casualties against the enforcers, it will create a wave of fear within the ranks of these tyrants. Even if one target resisting capture manages to kill only 1 or 2 of his attackers before being killed or subdued, it will inflict a lot of damage on the infrastructure and minds of the powers directing such attacks. Equipment is replaceable. Human lives and personnel are not. Tyrannical governments throughout the ages have long laughed down mass demonstrations and protests as forms of "resistance". These tactics do not inflict much harm against such governments and their resources and could be crushed very easily, often with brute force. It is a wholly different game when the people begins actively resisting and killing their oppressors. It is a wholly different game when tyrannical military and police leaders read the after-action reports of a particular raid and realize that several of their own members have also died in action. It does not take a few more such disastrous operations, each one with several soldiers being killed, that commanders and politicians of oppressive regimes begin to feel the heat of reality bearing down on them. And how many of the remaining soldiers, even if they at first were diehard followers of the tyrannical regime, would be willing to go on another expedition knowing that he may very likely be the next one to die? It would be utter chaos and terror. It is one thing to round up entire towns and cities of defeated, unresisting sheep and going back home for a beer after the end of each day. It is another thing to come back from an operation, if you are one of the lucky ones to come back, and see the body bags containing the remains of your own comrades who had been alive just a few hours prior. And it is a whole another thing now, to know that the folks who killed your comrades are also a group of people who do not fear being killed themselves, and that their freedom and the freedom of their loved ones are everything worth sacrificing their lives for. I am sure many people on this board are familiar with a certain American flag that consists of 13 stars in a circle with 3 vertical bars running down the center of that circle. It is the "III" or "Three Percenter" flag and it appeared in mainstream use around 2008 or so. It refers to the fact that during the Revolution, only 3 percent of the colonial population actively resisted the British. And these 3 percent, a measly portion of the population, had inflicted a lot of damage against the occupying force. These three percent are not only ones who took up arms and fought, but willingly sacrificed their own lives if need be. And that was what terrified the hell out of the British. Someone who is so focused on a goal or mindset that they did not mind dying for these beliefs. The idea of the armed citizen is NOT the one man army. The tattered, emotionally and physically scarred but still formidable lone rebel seated on a growling Harley-Davidson, standing in the face of a vast horde of unholy minions and raking them down with his AR-15 and his fiery scythe of justice. That is not how the armed citizen works. The idea of the armed citizen is that, when the storm is finally here, to not go down whimpering, but fighting to the end, and making sure that your oppressors pay very, very dearly for their prize. You may or may not be able to see the end of the dark times, but you, and many people like you, will ensure that hopefully, their future generations may live in a world where the sun shines again. Quote:
And not just the crushing psychological impacts to an individual's mind, but imagine the logistical and financial nightmare that would be inflicted upon a nation in the aftermath of such a form of laser warfare. A conventional military engagement resulting in, lets say, 3000 fatalities and 20,000 injuries, will put a burden of having to deal with 3000 permanent losses in personnel. 3000 funerals and having to explain to grieving family members and public on why these 3000 deaths were necessary to national defense. 20,000 other personnel would now have to be cared for and require constant medical attention. That would be another burden placed on the social and financial structure of that hypothetical society. And such figures are just the results of a CONVENTIONAL modern war. Now imagine if 23,000 personnel are coming home from battle, permanently blinded. Do you know how much effort and money would be required for the lifetime care of these 23,000 blinded soldiers? Not to mention dealing with many individuals who would also retain massive psychological damage due to their blindness. Now if you are talking about a modern war such as the one in Syria, the casualty figures would be in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. It would be utterly unimaginable the level of trauma that would be inflicted on the social, financial and logistical mechanism of even the most advanced nation on Earth. Quote:
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Ya and you can blind APC's with paint and disable tanks with pits.. what's your point?
Mine was simply we lost parity long ago.. that's not disputable. |
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Even in a distant future age of energy weapons and plasma rifles in the 40-watt range, I would rather have an AR or a lever-action Winchester than a broomstick and a dustpan. Sure the broom can be used as a weapon also but the AR would greatly increase my chances of survival against someone bent on vaporizing anyone who does not agree with his political agenda. That is what the Second Amendment is for: To ensure that we have capable weapons in our hands in case the worst scenario happens. |
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The argument that we have to hammer home isn't the 2nd amendment was made only for hunting and sport shooting at a range, it was meant for self defense and resistance to gov't tyranny and oppression.
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March 8, 2018, 08:25 PM | #9 |
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We're doing all we can just to hold on to semi automatic rifles, The soccer moms will never let us have a weapon that can melt rocks.
I mean I agree 2a would cover them but we'll never win the public argument, at least not unless someting radical changes politically. |
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