The problem with the gun rights crowd - Page 4

Bartholomew Roberts · May 8, 2019, 08:42 AM

They’re neutral because they don’t care about gun rights. It isn’t important to them. You treating them respectfully and lovingly isn’t going to make it important to them. At best, all it will do is remind them that stereotypes of gun owners presented by the other side are inaccurate.

If you want them to care about gun rights, you have to get them personally invested in it. That will make people pro-gun faster than anything because then they are forced to wrap their heads around the arbitrary and confusing laws surrounding people who like to shoot.

This is what antis try to delicately sidestep. Gunowners would line up to register themselves and their weapons too. They’d volunteer for psyche evals and pay extra fees. All you have to do is offer them a carrot instead of a stick (see also concealed carry licenses). Of course, that would mean that antis would have to give up on abolishing firearms ownership and accept “reasonable gun control” designed to keep firearms out of the wrong hands. When is the last time you saw a carrot offered?

kmw1954 · May 8, 2019, 09:23 AM

The wife and I argue over cake all the time, She likes Angle Food and I like Devils Food but we don't get hostile or insulting about it! Some people just go through life with blinder on.

If you like AR's but not AK's well that's alright too!

stinkeypete · May 8, 2019, 09:40 AM

How about “there are plenty of grey areas, plenty of things we agree about, all us Americans are Americans and when times get tough we forget our differences and all pull together”?

Among our crowd there are folks that feel the NFA is an infringement of their rights. They can make some valid points.

The thing is, in any diverse population, pulling out half just creates a new diverse population.

Instead of thinking of people with different opinions as “enemy” we could try to think of them as “people like me but with a different opinion.”

It doesn’t make very good drama when people stop fighting and start working together.

PhotonGuy · May 8, 2019, 12:50 PM

As of right now, two big gun control advocates, Eric Swalwell and Cory Booker, are fighting against each other as to who is the better gun control advocate. This is good news for us and exactly what we need, the gun control crowd to fight among each other, because that way they will fall. A house that's united stands, a house that's divided falls. At the same time we should not be like that and fight among each other. If we are to win we need to stay united. As such we should respect each other and get along and work with each other, not against each other.

**44 AMP** · May 8, 2019, 02:27 PM

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Instead of thinking of people with different opinions as “enemy” we could try to think of them as “people like me but with a different opinion.”

Its the difference of opinion (and what they do about it) that make them the enemy, or not.

40 years after the war, one fighter pilot said, "we were all the same, we just flew from different airports". In that context, he's right. But those same guys would have happily shot each other to death on sight, 40 years earlier, over their "differences of opinion" at the time.

Skans · May 8, 2019, 04:21 PM

I try to be courteous to all gun owners. I feel that we are all on the same team when talking about guns and gun rights. Every gun owner has a vested interest in being able to at least keep the guns he/she owns. And, that's not a bad place to start!

USNRet93 · May 8, 2019, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PhotonGuy

As of right now, two big gun control advocates, Eric Swalwell and Cory Booker, are fighting against each other as to who is the better gun control advocate. This is good news for us and exactly what we need, the gun control crowd to fight among each other, because that way they will fall. A house that's united stands, a house that's divided falls. At the same time we should not be like that and fight among each other. If we are to win we need to stay united. As such we should respect each other and get along and work with each other, not against each other.

Good review on the potential Dem candidates as they wade into the gun control debate following the school shooting in Colorado. I wouldn’t describe them ‘fighting with each other’, imho.
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Glenn E. Meyer · May 8, 2019, 04:48 PM

Ok, the topic was whether gun rights advocates can all get along. Obviously, that is a complex topic and the problem is that getting along usually means that you are wrong and I am correct. What else is new? The plea is naive, in terms of human interaction.

Now, we are discussing how Democrats view gun issues. Thus, the topic is exhausted.

Closed.

May 8, 2019, 04:48 PM	#83
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Ok, the topic was whether gun rights advocates can all get along. Obviously, that is a complex topic and the problem is that getting along usually means that you are wrong and I am correct. What else is new? The plea is naive, in terms of human interaction. Now, we are discussing how Democrats view gun issues. Thus, the topic is exhausted. Closed. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

May 8, 2019, 08:42 AM	#76
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	They’re neutral because they don’t care about gun rights. It isn’t important to them. You treating them respectfully and lovingly isn’t going to make it important to them. At best, all it will do is remind them that stereotypes of gun owners presented by the other side are inaccurate. If you want them to care about gun rights, you have to get them personally invested in it. That will make people pro-gun faster than anything because then they are forced to wrap their heads around the arbitrary and confusing laws surrounding people who like to shoot. This is what antis try to delicately sidestep. Gunowners would line up to register themselves and their weapons too. They’d volunteer for psyche evals and pay extra fees. All you have to do is offer them a carrot instead of a stick (see also concealed carry licenses). Of course, that would mean that antis would have to give up on abolishing firearms ownership and accept “reasonable gun control” designed to keep firearms out of the wrong hands. When is the last time you saw a carrot offered?

May 8, 2019, 09:23 AM	#77
kmw1954 Senior Member Join Date: June 11, 2016 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 1,524	The wife and I argue over cake all the time, She likes Angle Food and I like Devils Food but we don't get hostile or insulting about it! Some people just go through life with blinder on. If you like AR's but not AK's well that's alright too!

May 8, 2019, 09:40 AM	#78
stinkeypete Senior Member Join Date: July 22, 2010 Location: Madison, Wisconsin Posts: 1,293	How about “there are plenty of grey areas, plenty of things we agree about, all us Americans are Americans and when times get tough we forget our differences and all pull together”? Among our crowd there are folks that feel the NFA is an infringement of their rights. They can make some valid points. The thing is, in any diverse population, pulling out half just creates a new diverse population. Instead of thinking of people with different opinions as “enemy” we could try to think of them as “people like me but with a different opinion.” It doesn’t make very good drama when people stop fighting and start working together.

May 8, 2019, 12:50 PM	#79
PhotonGuy Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2019 Posts: 146	As of right now, two big gun control advocates, Eric Swalwell and Cory Booker, are fighting against each other as to who is the better gun control advocate. This is good news for us and exactly what we need, the gun control crowd to fight among each other, because that way they will fall. A house that's united stands, a house that's divided falls. At the same time we should not be like that and fight among each other. If we are to win we need to stay united. As such we should respect each other and get along and work with each other, not against each other.

May 8, 2019, 04:21 PM	#81
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	I try to be courteous to all gun owners. I feel that we are all on the same team when talking about guns and gun rights. Every gun owner has a vested interest in being able to at least keep the guns he/she owns. And, that's not a bad place to start!