January 12, 2011, 06:28 PM | #1 |
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I have a Remington Mohawk 600 in 6mm that I love.
My Dad got it for me 30 years ago as a deer rifle. Its a great tree stand gun with a short bolt/short barrel that is pretty dang accurate too. 1" groups at 100 yds for me. Does anyone know anything about this handy little rifle and/or caliber? I was told it was Remingtons answer to the Winchester .243 |
January 12, 2011, 08:06 PM | #2 |
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The 600 is a classic. The 6mm came out after the 243 became very popular, but the first ones had too slow a twist rate to get the heavier 90+ grain bullets going straight. By the time Remington changed the twist rates, it was too late. They had already lost the market to the 243 rifles that had the faster twist rates for the bigger bullets. The major market for the 243 had become deer hunters, not varmint hunters, so the bigger bullets were in demand. Nice rifle.
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somewhat of a cheaper bolt action offering back in the day.
they were accurate, and very handy little guns. luckily you can still get factory loaded ammo and if you reload then you are in luck, since it uses a 6mm bullet and that is very common (due to the other competing 6mm chambering which is 243 winchester).
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I wouldn't agree that they were cheap. They were several steps above the 788s. The action became the Model 7. The 6mm Remington is based on the 257 Roberts/7mm Mauser case. In equal length barrels, it stepped a little faster than the 243. Great little piece for deer and vermin.
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Perhaps he meant less expensive.
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sorry to offend any of the 600 owners out there for me i could care less about the cost, all i care about is how does it shoot?
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The main complaint that people have with the 600s (and the reason for the design change that became the Model Seven) is that the 600 takes 3 hands to remove the bolt (or at least 2 hands with very talented fingers).
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January 13, 2011, 11:38 AM | #8 |
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hmmm
Can you describe the procedure for this... never had my bolt out before and it would make the barrel cleaning a bit easier.
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My dad has two old 600 Mohawks. one is a 6mm and one is a .308. Those two guns have probably killed more deer and elk than any other of our guns. The 6mm is the gun that we always give to people that need to borrow a gun to hunt with, its light, easy to shoot, hardly any recoil, and just plain shoots where it's aimed. The 6mm is a very good cartridge with several choices of bullets available to hunt everything from prairie dogs to large whitetail and even elk (It might be a touch on the small side for elk but its so easy to shoot good that the shot placement is good and it does the job as good as anything).
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I have a .244 (early 6MM) and Hornady makes heavy RN bullets that stabilize O.K. in the early barrels. Mine is not a tack driver, but is plenty good for deer hunting.
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I always thought the Remington 600 was pretty cute and practical. The 6 mm is basically the same as a .243. There is endless debate about the 6 mm round being slightly better than the .243, but really, they work the same. And that means they both work extremely well.
If you have one of the older Mohawks, you should take a look at the serial number. There was some problem with the trigger lock mechanism and Remington had a recall on them. If your serial number does NOT have the letter A preceding the number, then it was part of the recall. If your rifle WAS recalled and repaired, it will have the letter V on the left side of the trigger. Maybe it's no big deal, but you might want to give it a look. |
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Hey thanks for that info...did not hear about that!
Whats the proceedure for getting it repaired? |
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Fine gun
I have a Mohawk in .243 Win. Also Model 600s in .222, 6mm, .308, and .350 Rem Mag.
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Looking at the rifle from the back, open the bolt and bring it back to the stop. Slip the wrench/punch/what ever fits down the left side of the bolt, between the bolt body and the action wall. Slide it in to push down the little spring loaded lever that is the bolt stop, and while holding it down, ease the bolt back over the stop. The bolt then comes right out. Its actually harder to describe than to do. Replacing the bolt, just push it straight in. It will ride over the bolt stop, which will pop back up into place once the locking lug clears it. You can also operate the bolt stop by hand if you remove the action from the stock, but its not necessary to do that if you use a little tool like I just described. If you DO take the action out of the stock, be careful putting it back together. The magazine box body is pressed steel, and open at the back. It pops out of the receiver quite easily. Not a problem, just squeeze it together at the back end, and fit it back into the action opening. However, take care when putting the action back in the stock, as the mag box can pop loose from the action, and stick out a little bit, basically flush with the bottom of the stock. IF this happens, and you don't notice it, you can bend the nylon floorplate/triggerguard when you tighten the action screws. The best way I have found to keep this from happening is to turn the action upside down, and carefully lower the stock on to it, keeping an eye on the mag box as you do so. Once mated, install the triggerguard and screws. The Model 600 was Remington's bargin rifle, with a price cheaper than the Model 700. The Mohawk was the bargin version of the Model 600, without the fancy vent rib. After Remington dropped the Model 600 in favor of the 788 (which was cheaper for them to make), they kept the Mohawk as a catalog item for several years. They are great little guns, plenty accurate for hunting, but not such good groupers from the bench, usually. Light, short, handy, good trigger, and plenty accurate I like them a lot. There was a recall about the trigger, decades ago, and is still in effect. Contact Remington to see if your gun was part of it. They will still do the fix today, if it was.
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You know I saw the vent rib models and didn't like the look.
Mine looks cleaner and neater to me. Shot from a rest on a bolted down school desk set up at the range (with a padded bipod made from a telescope I had in 8th grade) I get the 1 inch groups of three rounds at 100 yards with mine. Does a number on whitetails too. Can't say enough about my little rifle... I will check into the recall... thanks for the info on that!!! |
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The 244/6mm rem shoots 200 fps faster than the 243 win and about 200fps slower than the 240 weatherby. So I wouldn't say it's the same as the 243win they all shoot the same size bullet.The 244/6mm rem was out before the 243 win it had the wrong rate of twist for heaver bullets that deer hunters like to shoot.So winchester seize the moment and came out with the 243win with the barrels twist rate made for heaver bullets that when it took off.And the 244/6mm went to back burner.Remington changed the twist and the 244rem became the 6mm rem. I personally own a old 740 rem chambered for 244rem it shoots 100gr bullets just find no problem it's a deer killer.
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My sources say both the .243 Win and the .244 Rem were introduced in 1955. Remington considered the round to be a varmint caliber, and gave their rifles a 1 in 12 twist. Winchester thought of it as a dual purpose round and used a 1 in 9 twist, to stabilize the 100/105gr deer bullets.
Shooters soon found out that the Remington rifles would not usually stabilze the 105gr spitzers and sales dropped off. The 1 in 12 will usually stabilize the 105gr RN bullet, but shooters weren't much interested in RN bullets in 6mm at the time. After a couple years, Remington changed the twist in the .244, so they would shoot the heavy bullets, but by then, the damage to the .244s reputation was done. It is possible to find late production .244s with the faster twist, but they are scarce. In 1963, Remington renamed the .244 and called it the 6mm Rem. All 6mm Remingtons have the faster twist barrels. The 6mm has always had a small following, because it does have a velocity advantage over the .243 Win. However, the .243 has the lion's share of the market, and very few rifles are made in 6mm Remington these days. Even Remington makes .243s.
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Dad had a 600 in 243 that accounted for many, many deer. I wish I knew who had it now because I'd give them top dollar for sentimental reasons. I believe it was a mohawk but didn't have the rib, did the make mohawks without the rib? I seem to remember the trigger was gold colored
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(I didn't see this information in the thread yet.)
The 600 was actually the second fiream to use that action. The first was the XP100 handgun, chambered in .221 Fireball. Remington might have introduced the rifle first, if the federal laws allowed a handgun to be made from a rifle action. They didn't, so the handgun came out first. |
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Thanks again...
I just want to thank everyone again for all this information.
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The 6mm with the tighter twist will even shoot 105 grain Speer spitzers well. The 244 on the other hand simply won't. I've tried several powders in the 244 and none were very accurate with the 100 or 105. Load the 244 with an 87 grain Hornady or 90 grain Speer and you're good to go.My old 700 varmint with the heavy barrel in 6mm was an honest 600 yard coyote gun. If you could get the songdog to stop long enough to settle the crosshairs, it was a bad day for canis.
One of the best shooting rifles I have ever seen was a 788 in 6mm. WOW! Pinhole sized single hole groups with an 87 grain Hornady BTHP and 41.0 of H414. It certainly would run neck and neck with my 700.
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6mm experience
I have a Rem 700 chambered in .243 and one of these days when I put a new barrel on it, it will be chambered in 6mm. I love the 243 and it's a classic but the 6mm just flat holds more powder. The weekend before this past Christmas, I killed a Javalina at 417 yds with one shot from my buddy's 6mm. His has a match grade Shilen barrel and a trigger set at 20 oz. so it wasn't too difficult with the rest I had. I'm sorry if it seems like I am gloating-- I'm just awfully proud of it because it was my best shot yet and it was on a really cool critter which now resides at the taxidermy!
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