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Old November 17, 2006, 07:25 PM   #1
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Is this BS?

I was talking to a friend about his 12ga and which load to use for HD.

He said that at 10 yards that birdshot (#6) completely dusted about six inches of a 2x4. He told me this story before and literally he means that six inches of the 2x4 was gone. Oh, he was using full choke.

I'm thinking that just maybe at a couple of feet with a heavier load, but it still sounds suspicious.

He would go with 00 and slugs for defense, but claims that even a light birdshot would be plenty. I'd go with #1 myself.
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Old November 17, 2006, 07:30 PM   #2
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I have cut small trees down with a pump gun, but I think his 10 yards is more like 15-25 feet. He is stretching it a bit, but a 2x4 would be well beaten up anyway.

Bird shot is made for birds, slugs and buck shot are for deer sized game. Don't try using them the other way around.
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Old November 17, 2006, 08:18 PM   #3
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I recommend #4 buckshot for human varmints...

That said... 25 feet is pretty damned close to 10 yards...

I believe that if you allow for a bit of exaggeration, a shotgun load could probably cut a 2x4 clean through with one shot...

But probably not at more than 25 feet... much less, 10 yards...
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Old November 17, 2006, 08:30 PM   #4
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Maybe an email to the Box Of Truth is in order...
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Old November 17, 2006, 09:14 PM   #5
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yea, I sent that to him. I have yet to find a good comparison.

But he is the one with the first hand experience with it.

I am surprised to hear confirmation that light bird shot could separate a 2x4 at even 20 feet.
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Old November 17, 2006, 10:48 PM   #6
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He said that at 10 yards that birdshot (#6) completely dusted about six inches of a 2x4. He told me this story before and literally he means that six inches of the 2x4 was gone. Oh, he was using full choke.

Maybe he used rotted wood?

Maybe he used balsa wood?
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Old November 17, 2006, 11:12 PM   #7
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I recommend #4 buckshot for human varmints...
That's my first choice as well. Plenty for HD but less likely to have to worry about overpenetration than #00. I've got some #000 Magnum buck that I might just take apart and throw away. Those things scare the hell out of me.
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Old November 18, 2006, 10:24 AM   #8
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I am surprised to hear confirmation that light bird shot could separate a 2x4 at even 20 feet.
Bird shot isn't "light" at 20 feet...

When you shoot a bird with #6, or even #8, birdshot... he is usually flying and usually at least 30 yards...where "light" birdshot is going to put a small portion of the pellets into the bird.

When you get a hit with the whole "beam" of shot - a large number of pellets - you won't find that duck or rabbit...

As I said, allow for exaggeration and say the 2x4 was anchored at both ends, and was just shattered... forget about the so-called missing 6", and allow for the distance to be exaggerated as well... then the POSSIBILITY becomes more realistic...

If you want penetration... then you need the projectiles to be heavier... Like #4 Buckshot which is a little like shooting twenty-one .22 caliber bullets at the same time!

It is better than 00 Buck because at longer distances, say 30+ yards or more, you will be less likely to totally miss your target as happens all too frequently with 00 buck.

I'd rather "stick him" with only one #4 buck pellet than miss him altogether with 00 Buck...

That way I can find him later, getting treated at the hospital...
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Old November 18, 2006, 11:33 AM   #9
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"I'd rather "stick him" with only one #4 buck pellet than miss him altogether with 00 Buck..." yup I couldn't agree more.

birdshot isnt a weak load up close neither,it'll still take a chunk out of an intruder at 10-15 feet.A 4'' hole is still a 4'' hole, the #4 buck(i like the high brass 2s as well) will open up the inside of that new hole more but 6s or 7s will still do the job inside a home,especially with some of the thin materials that go into homes these days.
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Old November 18, 2006, 12:33 PM   #10
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Well, I meant "light" as a relative term.

If I have the opportunity, I'll go out and try it myself.
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Old November 18, 2006, 12:57 PM   #11
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Why not get a chunk of scrap 2X4 and try it yourself?

Can belive it would happen in some circumstances....given a very tight pattern...but belive he confused 10yards with 10feet.
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Old November 18, 2006, 01:59 PM   #12
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If I have the opportunity, I'll go out and try it myself.
Good idea!

Anchor both ends of the board and...

I think it will work better if the 2x4 is longer than if it is shorter...
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Old November 19, 2006, 12:55 AM   #13
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Maybe an email to the Box Of Truth is in order...
Been done. They did test buckshot...

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

And here's a birdshot test.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm
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Not exactly the same as the claim above. BOT used #8 shot and not #6 and the firing distance appeared to be much closer than 10 yards as the BOT folks were simulating normal room distances. They don't appear to be using a choke (which may or may not be in the original claim) and the barrel is fairly short, 19.5" and we don't know the length of the gun in the original claim. They were not shooting 2x4s, just dry wall.

Otherwise, perfect match.
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Old November 19, 2006, 02:25 PM   #15
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He was using #6, 2-3/4 loads with a 28" full choke barrel. He claims that the spread at 10 yards is no bigger than the palm of his hand.

I liked the story on the BOT about the guy that got shot in teh chest with #6 from 6 feet away and walked to the ambulance, and only one pellet squeezed between the ribs. IOW, it was just a flesh wound.
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Old November 19, 2006, 03:24 PM   #16
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I've heard light birdshot doesn't do much to attacking humans, especially if they're high on something.

Leaves gruesome exterior wounds, but it doesn't penetrate enough to destroy the major internal organs which would stop them.

000 Buck is like getting hit with about 8 9x19 rounds simultaneously.
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