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A Fox, Hunting
Under the snow, in the Dakotas:
http://www.edisproduction.de/2013/11...ncredible-way/ Definitely incredible. 75% success when Mr. Fox is aligned with the earth's magnetic field. |
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Thanks Art !!
Wow,
That was pretty amazing and informative. ... Be Safe !!!
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Hmmm... face the North Pole...guaranteed meal 75% of the time?
I'm changin the chairs around at the dinner table. Great vid. Art. Thanks for postin. |
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Nature never ceases to amaze me!! Fantastic!!
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Watched the episode when it aired on T.V. Pretty amazing.
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Now that there's huntin!
nice video. thanks for posting Nature never ceases to astound and inform.
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That is amazing!
I doubt that it is the magnetic field assisting the Fox though. Seems more likely that the glare of the sun (that is south of him all winter) would have more influence than the North pole. But I'm no scientist . Just a guy that has squinted into the southern direction to see how far away something is.
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He is hunting blind with no visual cues, I don't see how a visual impairment would make any difference.
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Yeah, I too think that the foot and a half of snow is more of a visual impairment than sun glare. I wonder if the same is true for Robins and worms? Is this a trait we as humans have too, just have allowed it, like so many of our other senses to go dormant from non-use?
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Again he is hunting blind with no visual clues, again a glare/visual impairment from the sun will make no difference, try watching the video, many attempts are made in the shade of the foothills, yet he is still only 75% when facing north, glare present or absent.
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So the Fox is magically aligned to true North? Or is it magnetic North? Why can he aim with a North bearing and not a south bearing? Does the fox need math classes to calculate degrees off of North? ......why do scientists always think it is the hardest theory to prove, when the simplest explanation makes more sense.
Predators are vision oriented. They have amazing senses, hearing a mouse under 18 inches of snow, smelling a meal or danger from hundreds of yards, and binocular vision. Combined that is a formidable opponent. Take away any of the three....not so hard to fool anymore. If I were trying to catch something I could only hear, I would focus intently on the sound and pick a spot in the snow to jump on. I see the Fox in this video doing just that. His binocular vision allows him to determine how far away the mouse is by concentrating on the sound. When you hear a fire truck siren behind you do you look to your left to see where it is, or do you turn around and look directly at it to see how far away it is and what direction it is moving? Can you tell if it is 10 blocks away or 12 without looking? Ears tell us what direction to look, eyes tell us how far. Same for a Fox. Take away his vision and he can not aim. Quote:
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big al, if his finding the mouse's location is a function of hearing, how would the sun's glare affect his success? He's diving toward a sound, not a sighting. Seems like that's what puzzles the researchers: Why would north vs. south matter?
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During winter months the earth sits on it axis so that the sun is south of the equator, thereby creating glare from the south, and a significant lack of glare when facing north. Quote:
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My point about sun glare is that it comes from the south all day. Looking east or West at least 1 eye is catching glare. Don't get me wrong on this next point, I am not saying it is impossible that the Fox is using magnetic guidance, just not very likely. Quote:
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" It is just a theory. A nearly impossible to prove theory."
I'd prefer to use the word "observation". That's why I have what might be called a "maybe" file: Maybe so, maybe no. Wait for further information when I read or hear some alleged fact or sorta-reasonable causation. |
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Magnetic alignment in animals has been known for years. Animals other than foxes, like deer and cows also align their body's axis along the earth's magnetic field. Not only do they do this while feeding but also when at rest. It has for many years been theorized that this alignment makes certain physiological processes work better, i.e. sensing the presence of predators. It's not really a new or astonishing find. For many years scientist theorized that Salmon found their way back to the streams the were born by the smell or mineral/chemical makeup of that particular stream. Now it is known they find it by the magnetic field. Same way migratory birds find their way. Could be the foxes senses are just more acute when he is in alignment and thus his accuracy is better.
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Hunting by sound, without Sonar.
Ever noticed the beautifully intricate array of feathers that frame the eyes of an owl?
Those feathers actually channel sound directly into the ears like a parabolic mic. Owls catch mice under the snow, at night and do so without the aid of clear vision or sonar, but rather by focusing on the origin of a sound. Fox ears are also very much like directional mics.... I don't know why North would be important and why hunts facing South or East or West might fail far more, but I have no problem believing orientation plays a part and that sight may not be a crucial factor in the system...
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My biggest reason for disagreement with the idea that it is magnetic alignment is that the other animals use it in both directions. Migratory birds fly North and South equally well. Deer graze North and South. Polarity makes no difference which direction they are facing. If the fox is using magnetic alignment it should have equal results North and South. Because the fox has a tremendous difference in success to the south, it must be some other factor influencing the outcome.
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Next question: What's the success rate for his night-hunting?
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Just because his eye are open, does not mean he is depending on them as part of the hunt? The only reason the fox is looking where he is going to pounce is because his ears happen to point in the same direction as his eyes!!! That to me is the simplest explanation for the involvement of the eyes in a hunt for mice a foot under the snow... On the one hand you dismiss comparisons made with other animals that rely on hearing but then bring in your own comparisons to species that navigate by magnetism. Seems a tad inconsistent to me.
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