What are these?

flyguy958 · April 1, 2013, 07:54 PM

Found this brass in my "range" brass bucket. What are they. Plan on selling them in classified if they are worth anything.Brass 7.7.JPG

Brass 7.9.JPG

swcc22 · April 1, 2013, 08:00 PM

7.7 jap ?

**Mike Irwin** · April 1, 2013, 08:11 PM

South African made .303 British.

Ton of it was brought in as surplus several years ago. I have a bunch.

**Shane Tuttle** · April 1, 2013, 08:28 PM

Is it boxer primed, Mike?

**Mike Irwin** · April 1, 2013, 09:10 PM

I don't know. Never bothered to look.

I do know that it was originally brought in as non-corrosive, but it sure as hell IS corrosive because it rusted the bore of my Ishapore.

**Mike Irwin** · April 1, 2013, 09:11 PM

Flyguy,

That second picture, I can't read the headstamp, but it appears to be different from the first picture.

BrokenBottles · April 1, 2013, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Flyguy,

That second picture, I can't read the headstamp, but it appears to be different from the first picture.

Starting from the right case and at teh top working counter clockwise
FS 1947 CAL? 7.9 The 'C' looks backwards though.
the left case looks the same.

flyguy958 · April 2, 2013, 05:34 AM

Thanks for the replies!

The second picture is different than the first. Both the pieces in the second picture are the same. Here is a better picture.brass 7.9-2.jpg

**Mike Irwin** · April 2, 2013, 07:24 AM

The brass in your second picture is Turkish Surplus, 8mm Mauser, made in 1947.

TC is the Turkish abbreviation for Republic of Turkey. The symbol between the T and C is the crescent moon and star, which matchs what is on the Turkish flag.

This is generally seen to be pretty good ammo, but it is corrosive, and must be treated as such.

F. Guffey · April 2, 2013, 01:10 PM

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Posts: 32,821 The brass in your second picture is Turkish Surplus, 8mm Mauser, made in 1947.

TC is the Turkish abbreviation for Republic of Turkey. The symbol between the T and C is the crescent moon and star, which matches what is on the Turkish flag.

This is generally seen to be pretty good ammo, but it is corrosive, and must be treated as such.
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Pretty good ammo:

http://www.turkmauser.com/ammo.aspx

http://www.turkmauser.com/ammo/milsurp2.aspx

http://www.turkmauser.com/ammo/mhbTurk.aspx?#Romanian

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wogpotter · April 2, 2013, 03:25 PM

The PMP South African made R1M3z (.303 British) is non corrosive, but not considered reloadable.

**Mike Irwin** · April 2, 2013, 06:43 PM

if it is non corrosive then what the hell rusted the bore of my rifle?

wogpotter · April 3, 2013, 07:03 AM

I have no idea, but I've used a lot of this & cleaned normally with no problems.

**Mike Irwin** · April 3, 2013, 08:04 AM

When I bought my Ishapore, the bore was shiny bright. Looked as if it had never been shot.

I was assured that these were non-corrosive and shot accordingly. A few weeks later I went to clean it, and...

Unhappy Mike.

wogpotter · April 3, 2013, 11:27 AM

Maybe thats it. I still always clean the same day.

**Mike Irwin** · April 3, 2013, 03:31 PM

I don't see how that would be it unless there was some hygroscopic element to either the primer or the powder.

None of my other rifles fired around the same time, and stored in the same conditions, suffered a rusted bore.

wogpotter · April 3, 2013, 03:54 PM

Could we be talking about 2 different versions of S/A .303? The earlier stuff with the '60 & '61 "U" headstamps was cordite & corrosive, but I'm specifically referring to the OP's cases which are from the much later R1M3Z lots made in the late 70's & early 80's? That stuff definitely doeasn't strike me as corrosive because I've never had even a hint of trouble.

**Mike Irwin** · April 4, 2013, 08:10 AM

I didn't get down into the basement last night to check the headstamp on my .303, but as I recall everythign I bought several years ago was the more recently manufactured South African stuff, not the earlier vintage.

I do, however, know for a fact that it is later production nitrocellulose. I pulled a bullet when I got the first batch a couple of years ago.

April 1, 2013, 07:54 PM	#1
flyguy958 Senior Member Join Date: June 27, 2009 Location: SC Posts: 200	What are these? Found this brass in my "range" brass bucket. What are they. Plan on selling them in classified if they are worth anything.Brass 7.7.JPG Brass 7.9.JPG __________________ You can have your own opinion but you can't make up your own facts !

April 1, 2013, 08:00 PM	#2
swcc22 Member Join Date: March 2, 2013 Location: allen tx Posts: 64	Re: What are these? 7.7 jap ?

April 1, 2013, 08:11 PM	#3
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,382	South African made .303 British. Ton of it was brought in as surplus several years ago. I have a bunch. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

April 1, 2013, 08:28 PM	#4
Shane Tuttle Staff Join Date: November 28, 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 9,443	Is it boxer primed, Mike? __________________ If it were up to me, the word "got" would be deleted from the English language. Posting and YOU: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting

April 1, 2013, 09:10 PM	#5
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,382	I don't know. Never bothered to look. I do know that it was originally brought in as non-corrosive, but it sure as hell IS corrosive because it rusted the bore of my Ishapore. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

April 1, 2013, 09:11 PM	#6
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,382	Flyguy, That second picture, I can't read the headstamp, but it appears to be different from the first picture. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

April 2, 2013, 05:34 AM	#8
flyguy958 Senior Member Join Date: June 27, 2009 Location: SC Posts: 200	Thanks for the replies! The second picture is different than the first. Both the pieces in the second picture are the same. Here is a better picture.brass 7.9-2.jpg __________________ You can have your own opinion but you can't make up your own facts !

April 2, 2013, 07:24 AM	#9
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,382	The brass in your second picture is Turkish Surplus, 8mm Mauser, made in 1947. TC is the Turkish abbreviation for Republic of Turkey. The symbol between the T and C is the crescent moon and star, which matchs what is on the Turkish flag. This is generally seen to be pretty good ammo, but it is corrosive, and must be treated as such. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

April 2, 2013, 01:10 PM	#10
F. Guffey Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2008 Posts: 7,249	Unread Today, 07:24 AM #9 Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 32,821 The brass in your second picture is Turkish Surplus, 8mm Mauser, made in 1947. TC is the Turkish abbreviation for Republic of Turkey. The symbol between the T and C is the crescent moon and star, which matches what is on the Turkish flag. This is generally seen to be pretty good ammo, but it is corrosive, and must be treated as such. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower. Mike Irwin is offline ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pretty good ammo: http://www.turkmauser.com/ammo.aspx http://www.turkmauser.com/ammo/milsurp2.aspx http://www.turkmauser.com/ammo/mhbTurk.aspx?#Romanian F. Guffey

April 2, 2013, 03:25 PM	#11
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	The PMP South African made R1M3z (.303 British) is non corrosive, but not considered reloadable. __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

April 2, 2013, 06:43 PM	#12
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,382	if it is non corrosive then what the hell rusted the bore of my rifle? __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

April 3, 2013, 07:03 AM	#13
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	I have no idea, but I've used a lot of this & cleaned normally with no problems. __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

April 3, 2013, 08:04 AM	#14
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,382	When I bought my Ishapore, the bore was shiny bright. Looked as if it had never been shot. I was assured that these were non-corrosive and shot accordingly. A few weeks later I went to clean it, and... Unhappy Mike. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

April 3, 2013, 11:27 AM	#15
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	Maybe thats it. I still always clean the same day. __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

April 3, 2013, 03:31 PM	#16
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,382	I don't see how that would be it unless there was some hygroscopic element to either the primer or the powder. None of my other rifles fired around the same time, and stored in the same conditions, suffered a rusted bore. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

April 3, 2013, 03:54 PM	#17
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	Could we be talking about 2 different versions of S/A .303? The earlier stuff with the '60 & '61 "U" headstamps was cordite & corrosive, but I'm specifically referring to the OP's cases which are from the much later R1M3Z lots made in the late 70's & early 80's? That stuff definitely doeasn't strike me as corrosive because I've never had even a hint of trouble. __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

April 4, 2013, 08:10 AM	#18
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,382	I didn't get down into the basement last night to check the headstamp on my .303, but as I recall everythign I bought several years ago was the more recently manufactured South African stuff, not the earlier vintage. I do, however, know for a fact that it is later production nitrocellulose. I pulled a bullet when I got the first batch a couple of years ago. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.