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Old June 20, 2018, 09:42 PM   #1
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Any thoughts on this 357 mag ammo

Underwood Ammunition 357 Magnum 120 Grain Lehigh Xtreme Hunter?? This is what it says about it..........The Underwood Xtreme Hunter (XH) was born from the incredibly popular Xtreme Defender product line. Like the XD, the Xtreme Hunter (XH) ammunition has an optimized nose flute. The difference is that weight and attained velocity have been optimized to achieve maximum penetration depth with a permanent wound cavity (PWC) that is just simply enormous. No expanding hollow point comes close to achieving anywhere near the diameter and volume of wound channel achieved by the Xtreme Hunter. Not only is the PWC over 100% larger than any other expanding bullet, terminal performance is achieved despite being shot through barriers. The solid copper body ensures that thick hide, bone, and any other barrier will have minimal effect on the Permanent Wound Channel..... any thoughts? Input? Anyone tried it?
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Old June 20, 2018, 10:36 PM   #2
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I use Underwood Defender & Penetrator in .38, 9mm & .45acp.

I obviously think highly of it.
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Old June 20, 2018, 11:05 PM   #3
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Nice. Thanks. So it will create bigger wound channels than hollow points?
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Old June 21, 2018, 10:12 AM   #4
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Looking it over, I don't believe it is worth the cost of the round. You don't need the greater wound channel. You don't need the reduced recoil. A standard JHP from the same company will do at almost half the price. Their FMJ would as well.
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Old June 21, 2018, 10:44 AM   #5
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If you want to talk wound cavity.



Wound cavity and penetration is always a trade off. If I want more penetration with bullets, then I simply use more antimony in my alloy and sacrifice a little mushrooming. Oh, and these .38 158 grain hollowpoints (middle and right) cost me about $.02 each.

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Old June 21, 2018, 10:58 AM   #6
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Not allowed to hunt with regular fmj. only reason i was considering it is hollow points break peices of metal into your meat and this doesnt.
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Old June 21, 2018, 11:00 AM   #7
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Sent that last one before i read your messages don, good looking rounds. I dont reload though. At least not yet.
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Old June 21, 2018, 11:01 AM   #8
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What did those weigh afterwards? Just wondering
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Old June 21, 2018, 11:09 AM   #9
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If you have no choice, my arguements agsinst it disappear. That said, are there other brands that skirt the FMJ restriction that are cheaper?
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Old June 21, 2018, 11:14 AM   #10
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Kirosha, im just now looking into it. All it has to be is a "solid copper" hunting round and its legal. It also has to produce 500 ftlbs at muzzle. I was gonna go with barnes hollow points but they dont produce enough ftlbs
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Old June 21, 2018, 11:30 AM   #11
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The solid copper body ensures no such thing. Makes no difference if your revolver doesn't shoot that particular ammo well enough anyway.
You must try a box of as many brands as you can to find the ammo your revolver shoots best.
"...optimized nose flute..." All of that kind of stuff is pure marketing BS. The point makes no difference at all. Absolutely no difference due to it being a Phillips head screw shape.
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Old June 21, 2018, 11:49 AM   #12
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Yep, i agree. I need to find some ammo thats legal in my state and i will be buying multiple kinds. Im sure ill ask about other ammo as well. I just seen a video online with 4 and half inch wide cavity in ballistic gel. And a 6 inch wound cavity in a solid clay mold. So i was just curious about it. Im gonna try magtech 158 soft points, american eagle 158gr soft points, 158 grain hornady hps, and looking into buffalo bore, and this ammo here im asking about to start.
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Old June 21, 2018, 01:00 PM   #13
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"There is no such thing as a magic bullet."

The above statement came from a famous self defense trainer but I'm getting old and can't remember which one said it (I've known a couple of them).

Point being the same logic applies to handgun hunting ammunition. Trick bullets are intended to extract money from your bank account more than they are intended to do the wonderful things they claim in their advertising.

My preference has always been a heavy for caliber solid (cast) with a wide, flat point.

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Old June 21, 2018, 01:56 PM   #14
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d9lw-yJNpdM theres a link if anyones interested.i guess im just gonna have to be the one to try them out . Someones got to.
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Old June 21, 2018, 03:00 PM   #15
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Consider what the use of the ammo will be. Ammo is always a trade off/compromise regarding accuracy, penetration, expansion, velocity, terminal energy. You can’t get everything in one bullet design.
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