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Indiana is considering a similar idea though, to my understanding, we wouldn't be completely doing away with the LTCH (we call it a license to carry a handgun, in IN there is no legal distinction between open and concealed carry) but rather making it non-mandatory. This would be my preferred scenario because while I don't believe an adult who can legally own a gun should need a license or permit to carry it, Indiana's LTCH does have reciprocity in some other states and I'd prefer not to lose that if I can avoid it (I also already paid to get a Lifetime LTCH )
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An exception to this would be a valid Permit to carry issued by the State that the school zone is in. So, the way I read the GFSZ Act, even if the State allows carry without a Permit within 1000 feet of a school zone, the Feds do not. It is against Federal Law to possess a firearm within 1000 feet of a school zone without a permit. Last edited by steve4102; March 16, 2015 at 07:55 AM. |
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Even if we accept those two examples for the sake of argument, two respects is not many respects.
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Bar carry is not regulated by federal law. Open carry vs. concealed carry is not regulated by federal law. Even if we drill down to state laws, the only change is that no permit will be required. If a state prohibits carry in bars, that wouldn't change so what's the increased risk? If a state has a law prohibiting the carry of firearms in Dairy Queens, that law wouldn't change, so what's the increased risk? Post Office? Already prohibited under federal law, irrespective of whether or not you have a permit. No change there, so no increased risk. Basically, the only downside I can see to permitless carry is the GFSZ Act. |
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I like the fact that in Texas there's specific signage that must be posted in places that conceal carry is prohibited... Takes SOME of the guesswork out of it... I've traveled around the country and tried to follow rules, but it's exhausting trying to figure out the laws... I like that no permit is required to have a weapon in your car in Texas.... Texas has a decent castle doctrine now and I think the use of deadly force statutes are reasonable...
Many states have older laws that were meant to be taken off the books that are still there and can lead to problems.
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That's all I got, the GFSZ Act.
It is the law and it can be enforced. The issue is, how many State Legislators and how many average citizens are even aware of it. Quote:
You are legally carrying without a permit and you are well within 1000 feet of a school zone. You are attacked by a couple armed Bad-Guys. You use your legally carried firearm to protect yourself. The Local DA says, Self Defense and you are not charged in the shooting. Except the Feds come in and charge you with violating the GFSZ Act. You are convicted and are now a Felon who has lost his Second Amendment Rights forever. Think it can't happen. It did to this guy, although this was related to "legal" marijuana and a Self Defense shooting. http://www.seattlepi.com/local/artic...in-4965683.php |
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That's resolved by making permits available as an option, for those who know they may need one. However, if the permit is just a piece of paper that's essentially redundant and superfluous under state law, there shouldn't be a usurious fee for it and there shouldn't be an onerous training and/or qualification requirement for the permit (Hello, Texas). |
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Yes a Texas CHL is quite expensive. You must attend a class, given by a person that has been qualified to give that class by the state.... Takes two days off from work for most people (hidden cost) and it seems that they can charge upwards of 300$+ (expensive for average joe)(box of ammo)(rent a gun possibly) gotta get your fingerprints done by a contractor... =time off of work (hidden cost) pay a nominal fee for the prints.... Get passport photos, for some (they used my DL photo last time)
Fill out vague but somewhat simple packet, including work history and residences for ten years... Pay exhorbitant state fee (on top of other expenses already shelled out) Then you wait months to get it.... Could cost a guy $600 or more easily Washington State fill out paper at sheriffs office, get printed, pay resonable fee (all at one place, at the same time)... Few days later, permit is in the mailbox... One experience is way better than the other I'll tell you
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That's a good change, now if they could fix reciprocity agreements with a couple of states I frequent.
But, you can't beat 50$, one form and done yet lol
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People who have a carry permit physically issued by the State in which the school is located are exempted by the federal law, but only in the State that physically issued the permit, and only if their State performed the "proper" background check. http://www.ok2a.org/fedgfsza |
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My last renewal I was in and out within 20 minutes. That includes waiting time for the couple who arrived ahead of me, and a bout five to seven minutes for a chat in the hallway with the sheriff himself. Steve, the background check is a routine inquiry. The only reason the sheriffs in PA are allowed to collect $20 is to pay for the time they expend making the phone call for a first issuance. Some PA counties make you wait a week or two while they process the background check, others run it on the spot and even first-time applicants walk out with their license. It does not have to be the big deal that some states try to make it. This conversation brings to mind the frog in the pot metaphor. Too many people in too many states have gradually become so accustomed to real, honest-to-deity infringements on their RKBA that they no longer even recognize what an infringement is. They simple accept the status quo, and often even defend it. The water just feels nicely warm ... Last edited by Aguila Blanca; March 17, 2015 at 04:48 PM. |
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I've always felt that getting a state permit to exercise a Constitutional right was wrong, but I also realize that we lost our rights incrementally over many, many years, and incrementally is the way we will be getting them back. The number of states issuing permits now is amazing to me, and that each of these states relaxes those requirements more and more as time goes on gives me hope that "Constitutional Carry" will one day be the law of the land except for a few pockets of bankrupt states that nobody lives in any more.
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The school zone rule poses big logistical problems for those who want to abide by the law. Nevada has a proposed bill that would make it legal to have the gun in the car, etc. as a new exception
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Tell the Nevada legislature that. I don't draft the bills--I just posted about the proposal
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