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Old January 25, 2024, 04:30 PM   #26
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I don’t understand the $2000 bump for wood stock? Must be some good fricken wood!
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Old January 28, 2024, 09:27 AM   #27
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The wood rifle is a limited edition model and the wood shown is pretty "frickin" nice.
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Old January 28, 2024, 10:14 AM   #28
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The 1854 in more traditional looking blue steel and walnut is $3499. But it still has a rail.
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Old January 28, 2024, 11:34 AM   #29
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The 1854 in more traditional looking blue steel and walnut is $3499. But it still has a rail.
It also has a threaded barrel. It’s really too bad, should’ve kept it all traditional looking.
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Old January 28, 2024, 02:54 PM   #30
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It also has a threaded barrel. It’s really too bad, should’ve kept it all traditional looking.
I won't buy a brand new rifle if it isn't threaded since I started using a suppressor. Every used rifle I buy has to be one I'm willing to cut and thread.
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Old January 30, 2024, 02:14 PM   #31
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I wouldn’t care for a lever gun with a threaded barrel. Kinda like a classic car with a big wing on the roof. To each his own.
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Old January 30, 2024, 08:04 PM   #32
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They don't seem to be priced for the working class....
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Old February 2, 2024, 12:35 PM   #33
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They don't seem to be priced for the working class..
What's a working class priced rifle? I have a blue collar job and if I seriously wanted the rifle, I'd just save the money. It's all in how much you want it and what you're willing to sacrifice to get it. It's amazing how much money you can find by cutting out the little things.
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Old February 2, 2024, 08:30 PM   #34
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Historically, a good gun cost about a week's pay, or a bit more, for "working class" people. A very good gun might be a month's pay for lower level earners.
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Old February 2, 2024, 11:17 PM   #35
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So a person making $15 an hour could reasonably save up for this rifle in less than a year. They'd only need to save $25 a week for the SS synthetic rifle, compared to $60 a week for the walnut version. I just think a lot of people see a $1200-3000 rifle and have sticker shock, instead of thinking I can cut back on something simple and afford it.
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Old February 3, 2024, 12:59 AM   #36
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Cutting back is fine until unexpected expenses pop up. Tires, appliances, doc visit copay, etc. can take a real whack out of a gun budget. Add to that, a lot of things have gotten disproportionately expensive.
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Cutting back is fine until unexpected expenses pop up.
I dont want to get too far off topic here, but all I'm saying is the $1200 rifle isn't unobtainable for the average person or "working man". However, that person can't be controlled by the money they earn. If $1200 a year is too hard to budget for, then you aren't in control of your money.

I understand unexpected expenses very well. In late 2015 I had an accident that made me miss a full year of work. My wife and I were unprepared, and it was huge financially as I was the sole earner at that time. It took us from Oct 2016 when I returned to work, until Feb of 2020 to get rid of all our debt except the house.

We have about two years left on the house. We decided that we would never be in that kind of situation again, it was hard and painful, but worth it in the end. Now we budget, plan and accomplish the things we want without using much credit or loans. If we use credit or a loan it's to take advantage of extra discounts, but we usually just pay cash the majority of the time.
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Old February 4, 2024, 12:04 PM   #38
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You guys are funny. Lots of picking and demeaning here, but it seems like a decent 44 mag lever gun. If I’m buying this, it is down to this, the marlin and the Henry. This is the same price, but no cheap wood version.

So. I agree that the high end version needs a more traditional look.

I think the real difference is going to be when we go to the store and have 5 44 mag lever guns in front of us for $800-$1250, which one will feel and run the best. It will be a lot about in the hands feel and looks. In 44mag, I would lean towards quickest sights, smoothest action and best trigger feel.

I worry a bit that this will be another MIM filled S&W product that won’t pass the gun store comparison. I sure hope I’m wrong!
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Old February 4, 2024, 01:02 PM   #39
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Who’s picking now
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Old February 4, 2024, 07:09 PM   #40
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$3499

Three and a half grand, for a PCC lever carbine!!!!!! A decade ago I bought a used full size 4WD for $1000 less and am still driving it!

Thinking about the whole price of stuff issue, it's not so much the average guy can't afford it. Sure you can manage your money, save, scrimp and buy something. One less time eating out, that sort of thing. The real issue is what the average guy is willing to spend for it. It's difficult to rationalize the price of a firearm that costs more than a used truck. It's difficult to keep shooting as much as you did, when you have to pay 3x what you used to pay for reloading components just a few years ago.
Ruger Americans, Tisas and RIA will continue to sell guns because folks are willing to pay that amount, it doesn't seem unreasonable. Again, I don't think it will last long.
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Old February 5, 2024, 07:56 AM   #41
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In the 1970's a typical Marlin 336 would cost you around $125, a Winchester a bit less. A Remington 700 would cost about $175 for an ADL and around $200 for a BDL.

Even then lever actions were more complex and harder to build. In reality they should have cost more, but the cost to manufacture something rarely has anything to do with cost to the consumer. People were willing to pay more for bolt rifles back then.

Today we're seeing bolt rifles selling for much less than levers which more accurately reflects the cost to manufacture. A bolt, or any other rifle with nice wood and well finished metal will still cost you 4 figures. That is less important to todays shooters.
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Three and a half grand, for a PCC lever carbine!!!!!! A decade ago I bought a used full size 4WD for $1000 less and am still driving it!
It would take over $3,200 of todays dollars to have the same purchasing power you had a decade ago. So if you were to buy the same pickup you'd have to pay nearly the same amout as the rifle. The rifle would probably be a better investment long term, though probably not as useful as a 4WD.
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Old February 7, 2024, 05:29 PM   #43
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The way S&W integrated M-LOK into their clone of Marlin was very tasteful. Everyone else goes bananas with cheap handguards that do not match stocks.
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In the 1970's a typical Marlin 336 would cost you around $125, a Winchester a bit less. A Remington 700 would cost about $175 for an ADL and around $200 for a BDL.
The 1974 Gun Digest lists the MSRP of a new Marlin 336 at $115, a Win 94 at $104 and a Rem700 ADL at $154.95 ($ 15 more for a 7mm Mag) and the BDL at $174.95 and $189.95 in magnum calibers (and .17 Rem)

A Winchester model 70 was $179.95 standard calibers, and $194.95 for magnums. $264.95 for .375 H&H and the model 70 African was $359.95

In 1974, I didn't quite make $300 a month....

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Maybe, for you. I can visualize it, easily, though rationalizing it is a different matter... High end guns have always cost more than average grade cars and trucks. OF course, those of us who don't have much money never even consider that class of guns, and a car/truck is a daily necessity for most of us.
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So, $1,279.00 for the synthetic stocked version.... Yes, if I wanted it bad enough, I could figure out a way to justify it. But I don't want a synthetic stock... No worries, for merely $2,200.00 more, almost tripling the price, they've got one in Walnut! Now if you think that's targeted to the working class, then your, "work", pays a heck of a lot better than my work.
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Old February 12, 2024, 01:13 AM   #46
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@Pathfinder45, it's listed as a Limited Edition and probably the reason for the premium. I'd think if they offer a more plain stock you'd still be in the $2000 price range.
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Old February 14, 2024, 07:19 PM   #47
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Just the day before yesterday I stopped in someplace local and they had just got in a Marlin 1894 Classic in 357 Magnum. Their price is $1,069. Blued with Walnut stock, the Ruger-built Marlin is very nice indeed! They had one each in 357, 44, and a 45-70.
Now, how am I supposed to sleep at night?

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Old February 15, 2024, 09:45 PM   #48
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Just the day before yesterday I stopped in someplace local and they had just got in a Marlin 1894 Classic in 357 Magnum. Their price is $1,069. Blued with Walnut stock, the Ruger-built Marlin is very nice indeed! They had one each in 357, 44, and a 45-70.
Now, how am I supposed to sleep at night?
There's only one cure for that type of insomnia. I brought this home a couple of weeks ago (yes, an 1894 Classic in 357 Magnum), and I'm sleeping like a baby now!






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Old February 16, 2024, 09:31 PM   #49
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SMITH screwed the receiver of a Marlin onto the rear of a Henry barrel & magazine.....And they put it together with TORX SCREWS.......Something I'd expect from taurus......Won't buy one ever.
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Old February 17, 2024, 12:33 AM   #50
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I have traded for two new ROSSI R 92'S One is stainless , 16 inch barrel, 38/357
and the other is stainless 20 inch barrel 45 colt/ 454 casull, and I am really happy with them.
I traded and no cash envolved, but retail on both was about 899 for the 38/357 and 1000 for the 45 colt/454.
At the age of 73 most of my hunting days are pretty much a thing of the past, with both knees replaced , do not do much climbing or hiking anymore.
and with the game animals in south Alabama, being wild hogs, gators, and very small whitetails, well these two will handle just about anything
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