when you have to stow your CCW in your car... beware

MikeGoob · November 29, 2015, 09:01 PM

This former car thief says he can tell when you're hiding something under your seat... What precautions do you take when you have to secure your gun in your car (for posted 'gun free zones' etc)...

https://www.youtube.com/embed/YSlbzxJoDq0

**JohnKSa** · November 29, 2015, 09:40 PM

Make sure NOTHING is visible from outside the car.

If you have to put something in the trunk and then you want to go back to the store, drive somewhere else temporarily to put the stuff in the trunk and then come back. I've had to do that.

Lock your doors & roll up your windows. He didn't mention it in the video, but I'll bet that a lot of the time he didn't even have to break in.

sandmansans · November 29, 2015, 09:54 PM

I installed an underwear drawer in my car. My K frame .357 fits perfect along with 2 speed loaders, you cant even tell it's a drawer of sorts, looks like the plastics for the seat

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**Hahah I had to leave as is, to laugh at auto correct....underseat not underwear drawer haha
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kraigwy · November 30, 2015, 10:17 AM

Simple, I don't store CCW or any other guns in my car. Its in my pocket. When I get out, it gets out with me.

When I go in the house or anywhere else its with me, in my pocket.

I defensive pistol/revolver isn't a defensive pistol/revolver if you left it in your truck.

nomad636 · November 30, 2015, 10:49 AM

I watched the video. The guy makes a really good point about how long it takes to smash and grab.

I've always kept my windows pretty heavily tinted (beyond legal), and fortunately this has helped keep things from being stolen. That being said, I have to make a conscious effort to take my "GO BAG" into the house every night when I get home. Fortunately, I park in a secure lot at work. It is a catch .22 really. All to often do I find myself wanting to take my "go bag" and leave it in the vehicle while i'm shopping.... but I hate leaving it in there to be stolen. There isn't a good decision I'm afraid.

That being said, this holiday season has me carrying two firearms at all times (aside from work, can't carry here).

g.willikers · November 30, 2015, 11:35 AM

Be careful stashing stuff under cars seats, especially anything metal.
Might cause an airbag to discharge or start a fire if something electrical shorts out.
Lockable boxes bolted down with strong locks are about as good as it gets in a vehicle.
Hidden and out of sight is even better, of course.
Not always possible with vans, suvs and trucks, though.
Maybe leave a hungry mean Rottweiler in the car.

DMK · November 30, 2015, 12:17 PM

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Simple, I don't store CCW or any other guns in my car. Its in my pocket. When I get out, it gets out with me.

When I go in the house or anywhere else its with me, in my pocket.

I defensive pistol/revolver isn't a defensive pistol/revolver if you left it in your truck.

Most of the time I'd agree with this, but what happens when you have to go into the post office, or school, or police station, or government office?

cc-hangfire · November 30, 2015, 12:31 PM

Metal lock box with cable around seat post. They cost from $20 to $100 depending on brand & features. They would defeat a 5 second smash & grab as demonstrared on the video referenced. With tools and 3-5 minutes with the car alarm sounding & broken glass all around, a thief could still take it. Same box could be secured in the trunk.

I can't make theft impossible, but I can make it more time consuming.

And as mentioned above, I do go into locations (like the post office) where firearms are prohibited by law. The gun has to be locked away then.

krunchnik · November 30, 2015, 04:14 PM

Same method here-lock box cabled to the seat mount.

jimbob86 · November 30, 2015, 07:40 PM

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Metal lock box with cable around seat post. They cost from $20 to $100 depending on brand & features. They would defeat a 5 second smash & grab as demonstrared on the video referenced. With tools and 3-5 minutes with the car alarm sounding & broken glass all around, a thief could still take it. Same box could be secured in the trunk.

I've lost count of the number of security cables/trigger lock cables I've cut with the multi-tools I carry on my belt every day ..... no, I'm not a thief...... you just would not believe how many 4-H kids/parents forget the keys to their kid's 22 rifles .......

.... it takes about 10 seconds with a pair of vise grips or linesman's/fencing pliers, slightly longer with a decent Leatherman ..... a conventional trigger lock can be removed just as fast with two pairs of vise grips...... but 3 to 5 minutes? Only if the thief is using toenail clippers.......

....like the guy in the video said: he does not care about "bystanders" reacting to the car alarm: "They won't do nothin', it's not THEIR car......"

...that's Life in The Big City, and is precisely why I won't ever live there: People don't care about each other there.

FireForged · November 30, 2015, 08:58 PM

I do not stow items when I arrive at my parking spot.. I do it before I get there. If someone is watching me, they will see me orbit the parking lot once, park.. then immediately exit my car.

g.willikers · December 1, 2015, 09:44 AM

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I've lost count of the number of security cables/trigger lock cables I've cut with the multi-tools I carry on my belt every day

What on earth are they using for cables?
The cable for my bike would need a serious hacksaw and enough hacking and sawing to wear a guy out.
Might be easier to saw through the lock.

zach_ · December 1, 2015, 11:37 AM

Dallas had a string of car break-ins earlier in the year in the high rent part of town where women did not carry their purse with them into a convenience store, coffee shop, daycare, gym, that kind of thing. Not all of them had anything stolen because they did not have a purse at the time, or it was in their trunk before they got to their destination. I bet those $2k hand bags sell easy as well.

Big Shrek · December 1, 2015, 07:59 PM

here's the thing, there's a NEW way of breaking into cars that literally only takes a few seconds...
but it only works on cars with electronic brains...guy carries this little black/grey box,
walks past your car while the little brain is spinning thru thousands of combos...
when they hear the locks pop, they dive in and take anything & everything...

So...if you have a car with keyless remote enabled, you really can't leave a firearm in it.

http://www.networkworld.com/article/...s-systems.html

zach_ · December 2, 2015, 12:15 PM

That sucks about the theft tech for Toyotas. It probably will work for other cars as well.
On the Toyota smart key, the buttons are easily pressed when the remote is in your pocket. I have found my trunk lid open or car unlocked more than once from a smart key button mishap. Locking the trunk with the key lock bypasses the electronic release, and the cable release from inside the car. Lots of folks don't know that there is a key inside their smart key.

November 29, 2015, 09:01 PM	#1
MikeGoob Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2006 Posts: 876	when you have to stow your CCW in your car... beware This former car thief says he can tell when you're hiding something under your seat... What precautions do you take when you have to secure your gun in your car (for posted 'gun free zones' etc)... https://www.youtube.com/embed/YSlbzxJoDq0

November 29, 2015, 09:40 PM	#2
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,973	Make sure NOTHING is visible from outside the car. If you have to put something in the trunk and then you want to go back to the store, drive somewhere else temporarily to put the stuff in the trunk and then come back. I've had to do that. Lock your doors & roll up your windows. He didn't mention it in the video, but I'll bet that a lot of the time he didn't even have to break in. __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

November 30, 2015, 10:17 AM	#4
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	Simple, I don't store CCW or any other guns in my car. Its in my pocket. When I get out, it gets out with me. When I go in the house or anywhere else its with me, in my pocket. I defensive pistol/revolver isn't a defensive pistol/revolver if you left it in your truck. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

November 30, 2015, 10:49 AM	#5
nomad636 Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2015 Location: Arlington Texas Posts: 126	Unfortunate I watched the video. The guy makes a really good point about how long it takes to smash and grab. I've always kept my windows pretty heavily tinted (beyond legal), and fortunately this has helped keep things from being stolen. That being said, I have to make a conscious effort to take my "GO BAG" into the house every night when I get home. Fortunately, I park in a secure lot at work. It is a catch .22 really. All to often do I find myself wanting to take my "go bag" and leave it in the vehicle while i'm shopping.... but I hate leaving it in there to be stolen. There isn't a good decision I'm afraid. That being said, this holiday season has me carrying two firearms at all times (aside from work, can't carry here). __________________ Never go to war with a man who can end you from another zip code. Remember that just because you are out of sight... doesn't mean you are out of range. Unless of course.... you can end him from a further distance.

November 30, 2015, 11:35 AM	#6
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	Be careful stashing stuff under cars seats, especially anything metal. Might cause an airbag to discharge or start a fire if something electrical shorts out. Lockable boxes bolted down with strong locks are about as good as it gets in a vehicle. Hidden and out of sight is even better, of course. Not always possible with vans, suvs and trucks, though. Maybe leave a hungry mean Rottweiler in the car. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

November 29, 2015, 09:54 PM	#3
sandmansans Member Join Date: September 30, 2015 Posts: 73	I installed an underwear drawer in my car. My K frame .357 fits perfect along with 2 speed loaders, you cant even tell it's a drawer of sorts, looks like the plastics for the seat Edit Hahah I had to leave as is, to laugh at auto correct....underseat not underwear drawer haha

November 30, 2015, 12:31 PM	#8
cc-hangfire Senior Member Join Date: August 14, 2014 Posts: 304	Metal lock box with cable around seat post. They cost from $20 to $100 depending on brand & features. They would defeat a 5 second smash & grab as demonstrared on the video referenced. With tools and 3-5 minutes with the car alarm sounding & broken glass all around, a thief could still take it. Same box could be secured in the trunk. I can't make theft impossible, but I can make it more time consuming. And as mentioned above, I do go into locations (like the post office) where firearms are prohibited by law. The gun has to be locked away then.

November 30, 2015, 04:14 PM	#9
krunchnik Senior Member Join Date: October 27, 2010 Location: Lakeland,TN Posts: 220	Same method here-lock box cabled to the seat mount. __________________ THE CROW

November 30, 2015, 08:58 PM	#11
FireForged Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 1999 Location: Rebel South USA Posts: 2,074	I do not stow items when I arrive at my parking spot.. I do it before I get there. If someone is watching me, they will see me orbit the parking lot once, park.. then immediately exit my car. __________________ Life is a web woven by necessity and chance...

December 1, 2015, 11:37 AM	#13
zach_ Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2014 Location: DFW north Posts: 377	Dallas had a string of car break-ins earlier in the year in the high rent part of town where women did not carry their purse with them into a convenience store, coffee shop, daycare, gym, that kind of thing. Not all of them had anything stolen because they did not have a purse at the time, or it was in their trunk before they got to their destination. I bet those $2k hand bags sell easy as well. __________________ Z

December 1, 2015, 07:59 PM	#14
Big Shrek Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: NorthWest Florida Posts: 1,358	New Theft Techniques... here's the thing, there's a NEW way of breaking into cars that literally only takes a few seconds... but it only works on cars with electronic brains...guy carries this little black/grey box, walks past your car while the little brain is spinning thru thousands of combos... when they hear the locks pop, they dive in and take anything & everything... So...if you have a car with keyless remote enabled, you really can't leave a firearm in it. http://www.networkworld.com/article/...s-systems.html __________________ Marlin Specialist Calico Specialist A gun should be a tool in the hands of a deadly weapon, not a deadly weapon in the hands of a tool.

December 2, 2015, 12:15 PM	#15
zach_ Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2014 Location: DFW north Posts: 377	That sucks about the theft tech for Toyotas. It probably will work for other cars as well. On the Toyota smart key, the buttons are easily pressed when the remote is in your pocket. I have found my trunk lid open or car unlocked more than once from a smart key button mishap. Locking the trunk with the key lock bypasses the electronic release, and the cable release from inside the car. Lots of folks don't know that there is a key inside their smart key. __________________ Z