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June 23, 2020, 06:34 PM | #1 | |
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California to consider major new firearms law
I just received an e-mail blast from the NSSF. It seems that California is poised to ram through another new, anti-gun law. You can read the NSSF alert here:
https://www2.nssf.org/webmail/127421...b889d5285b57cf The NSSF summary points out the following problems with the bill: Quote:
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June 23, 2020, 07:21 PM | #2 |
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California is into an all out attack on the gun industry-seems some of these new firearm owners need to get active like the rest of us have been for awhile.
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June 24, 2020, 03:28 AM | #3 |
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What is a "Firearm precursor part"???
Do they mean the nebulous 80% finished receivers? Can't be finished serial numbered frames those are already "firearms" for legal/sales purposes. Do they mean the "printed" parts that are the current bug-a-boo? Do they mean ANY gun part??? I'm sure the state has a compelling reason for compiling data on who buys...oh lets say GRIP SCREWS??? And only allowing sales through a specially licensed dealer... it boggles the mind....
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June 24, 2020, 11:59 AM | #4 | |
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My guess was the same as yours -- 80% receivers, a.k.a. "ghost guns."
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June 24, 2020, 03:05 PM | #5 |
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Looks like that CA prefers to protect the rioters and looters before the citizens start protecting their own property. It's coming...be prepared!
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June 24, 2020, 03:34 PM | #6 | |
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I found the text of the bill. Here's the link, and the definition of "firearm precursor part":
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01720180AB2382 Quote:
What is an "unfinished handgun frame"? At least one current 1911 maker (Cabot Guns) makes their receivers and slides from steel ingots, not from forgings or investment castings. Any decent machinist with access to a lathe and a milling machine can do the same. Are steel ingots going to be allowed to be sold only by FFLs?
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June 24, 2020, 06:45 PM | #7 |
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Between their (actual) growing state debt, spiraling living expenses and laws that favor the lawless, all I can say is:
'Would the last person out of California please turn out the lights?' (paraphrasing a 70's billboard from Seattle)
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June 25, 2020, 02:56 PM | #8 |
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It appears that the proposed law would end direct to purchaser (mail order) sale of nearly all firearm parts other than some pins, screws and possibly some springs.
Why do I have visions of some guy winding up in court because he bought 8 feet of 1" "receiver tube" with (gasp!) threaded ends! from a hardware store.... got a 3lb chuck of steel?? OMG, that's just a pistol or an assault weapon waiting to happen!!! If it weren't for the possible tragic consequences, it would be amusing….
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June 25, 2020, 04:25 PM | #9 | |
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"Springs? There are springs in guns? We didn't include springs? We'll fix that right away quick."
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June 25, 2020, 08:49 PM | #10 |
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I seriously disagree: worse is even though the stores have no stock due to runs and Ca. D.O.J. is slow walking approvals, the people here will quickly forget the lessons just like after the Rodney King Riots. The stores have no ammo, the stores have no guns, mail order ammo comes with an FFL reciever requirement AND background check that fails 1 out of 6 times incorrectly. No Mags over 10 rounds and soon even those will have to go through a FFL and background check. Repair parts???? you want repair parts????? BWAHAHAHAHAHA
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June 26, 2020, 07:40 PM | #11 |
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When you make it so hard for legal citizens to follow the law, all you have left are criminals.
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June 28, 2020, 07:30 AM | #12 | |
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1. Make legal gun ownership burdensome enough that gun owners who can speak out become too small in numbers to protect their rights.
2. Scapegoat gun owners by attacking them with new ridiculous laws every time your dramatic failure in some other area becomes apparent to all, preferably in a way that serves goal 1. Doesn’t it amaze you how all these models of gun laws that Moms Demanding Action seek are always adding more and more gun laws? Quote:
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June 28, 2020, 02:47 PM | #13 | |
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Ordinary folks, adjust their spending down when their income drops. Govt seems incapable of that, (other than lip service, if that) and their response to a drop in income is to raise more money by increasing taxes and fees.
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June 28, 2020, 03:09 PM | #14 | |
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June 28, 2020, 03:58 PM | #15 |
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We already pay $1.38 in direct gas taxes ($.47 in "fix the road" taxes which go to the general fund not the roads) + 2.5% sales tax over and above the regular sales tax. 9.75% sales tax in L.A. county. I'm in the 9.3% Income tax bracket. MediCal taxes & the one that they REALLY want to change is PROPERTY taxes.
Due to Prop. 13 they can only raise your property taxes 1.5% a year based on the sale price and you can lock @ 20 years. They desperately want to abolish this so they can raise taxes along with you property value. Any property that was owned when Prop.13 was passed were locked and if inherited by a family member that lock was inherited too. But to get rid of guns, they have instituted background checks on ammo. Incorrect denial rate right now is ~ 16% and you get NO refunds on your background check costs. No doubt they will add an additional tax on guns & ammo at some point in the future. |
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