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October 2, 2020, 10:06 AM | #1 |
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Wheeler Engineering Professional Reticle Leveling System - Anybody use one?
Wheeler Engineering Professional Reticle Leveling System - Anybody use one?
I played Musical Scopes with nine of my rifles a few weeks back,,, Normally I take my scoped rifles to The Evil Pawn Shop Guy,,, He only charges $10.00 to level & bore sight a gun. But I'm thinking of buying this instead so I can do it myself. Is this a worthwhile product? Wheeler Engineering Professional Reticle Leveling System Aarond .
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October 2, 2020, 10:11 AM | #2 |
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Yes. Works good.
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October 2, 2020, 10:18 AM | #3 |
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Thanks Nathan
I appreciate the response.
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October 2, 2020, 10:27 AM | #4 |
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That system is reliant on the reticle being in perfect alignment with the turrets, pretty common for them to be slightly misaligned.
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October 2, 2020, 10:40 AM | #5 | |
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My buddy likes his !!!
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I do not level the scope to the rifle but instead, level the reticles to the rifle. I basically use two small bubble levels and plumb-bob to set up. ..... Be Safe !!!
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October 2, 2020, 02:26 PM | #6 |
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Gentlemen,,,
Thanks for the replies. As usual though I'm getting ratings from wonderful to worthless,,, This is across three forums I have this posted to. There doesn't seem to be a solid consensus. So I did what I should have done in the first place,,, I called my guy and asked what he uses,,, Because his results are great. He uses a gun vise, a torpedo level, and a small line level,,, But better yet he's offered to show me how to do it. So I think I'll save my Cabela Bucks for the time being,,, I can always order it later if I feel the need. Thanks for your help my friends,,, Aarond .
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Good move !!!
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October 2, 2020, 07:08 PM | #8 |
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I totally agree that the plum bob method is the most accurate, if your pressed for time these do a pretty good job and are inexpensive. Don't be fooled by the simplicity, they work. I have the older model without the level in it.
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October 3, 2020, 07:22 AM | #9 |
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What do you do if the reticle elevation and windage axes are a degree or more misaligned with the adjustment knob axes?
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October 3, 2020, 08:09 AM | #10 |
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At some point, using this method, you have to use a plumb line or a leveled target to get the reticle perfectly vertical.
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October 3, 2020, 11:48 AM | #11 | |
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October 3, 2020, 02:47 PM | #12 |
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I just use a line level and a shooting bag for stability.
https://www.homedepot.com/pep/Johnso...ce=shoppingads
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October 3, 2020, 03:11 PM | #13 |
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I use the Wheeler system. Works great. But if I could pay a gunsmith $10 to do it plus bore sight the rifle/AR, I'd go that route. But it would cost way more than $10 in my area. Plus they'd probably keep the rifle/AR for more than a month before doing the work.
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December 13, 2020, 09:46 PM | #14 |
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i have used it more than a few times. what i do is put the small level on the bottom half of the ring so i can use the barrel level to level the gun. then i put the scope on and level off the turret. you would be amazed that if you are not VERY carefull the scope with turn just from the pressure of the clamping force when you tighten down the rings. sometimes it takes me a few trys
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December 13, 2020, 09:52 PM | #15 |
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I have one, I love it. As some have mentioned its not a perfect system, but it is pretty darn close. I had bought it sooner, money well spent!
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December 14, 2020, 05:02 AM | #16 |
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I think I get what Bart is saying. The ideal would be a reference based on the force of gravity.like a plumb line ,or water level,or what have you.
And then ,gun leveled in a vise,maybe per the receiver rails, You'd run the sights through full traverse,W and E, to align the sight adjustment travel to the gravty references (plumb line). I don't doubt thats correct for World Class Palma shooting. For myself,I don't have an issue with removing the stock,and setting the receiver level in a vise,then hanging a plumb line to align the vertical cross hair |
December 14, 2020, 11:41 AM | #17 | |
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What is required is that the reticle be pointed at the exact center of the bore. Slight dimensional errors in manufacturing the rifle, scope and/or the rings will be carried through with any of the gadgets. I get it close by eyeballing it, then shoot 0 / 30 moa test at 50 or 100 yards and rotate the scope in the rings as needed to correct any divergence. |
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December 14, 2020, 12:13 PM | #18 |
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I did try the vertical test after using the Wheeler kit,,,
I shot a target at 50, 100, and 200 yards. There is a little bit (less than an inch) of variance at 200 yards,,, But that could easily be my own inaccuracy. Between 50 and 100 yards I can't see any lateral shift at all. I'm happy with the Wheeler kit. Aarond .
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December 14, 2020, 12:17 PM | #19 |
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what eight said,,,that is for really trueing the scope
but for most of us the line on the wall,,,plum bob,,or even the wheeler set i have the wheeler set,,,i like it and it does seem to work really well for me,,,and i always check it against my vertical line on the wall with a flash light,,,,i think what i like about the wheeler kit is the clamp on level that goes on the barrel,,,once you get the rifle level,,,you can move it around or if it moves you know it,,,and you dont have to relevel the rifle also i use the bottom flat of the scope,,,not the turret ,,,,that seem to get me pretty dang close to true,,,, but if you want it as close as you can get it,,,,you need to shoot a vertical line like eight said my .02 ocharry
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December 14, 2020, 03:01 PM | #20 |
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And how do you verify centerline of your scope is aligned with centerline of your bore (without hanging a line some distance from the scope)?
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December 14, 2020, 09:56 PM | #21 |
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I suppose you could use a collimator with a spud in the bore.
I bought a used collimator..a Redfield. I tried it,the spud was too tight. I stopped. Muzzle abuse!! I don't even know what did with it. |
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I'm referring to the reticle wires aligned parallel to the adjustment turrets. Does the vertical reticle track the vertical adjustment? If not, the reticle cell needs to be twisted. Verify in windage, too. |
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Then mount the scope in a ring adjustable mount (Burris) then adjust the rings to point the scope to boresight on a distant target. The bore axis is now parallel with the scope's optical and mechanical centerline. If the scope has a 60 MOA adjustment range, you may not be able to get zeros past 600 yards. About 30 MOA up is all that's available. Last edited by Bart B.; December 20, 2020 at 06:11 PM. |
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So, quick update. I have one. It's a flawed system. It assumes your scope base, receiver, feed lips and scope turret are square. I have had good results a couple times. And one gun that I could not use it on.
I ended up getting the real avid scope leveling kit. Huge improvement. Aligns the scope directly over the barrel. And the cross hairs not the turret. Well worth it imho.
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Has anyone ever checked their scope's tracking in elevation and windage?
That verifies the elevation and windage adjustments are parallel to the vertical and horizontal reticles. |
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