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Old November 12, 2018, 06:45 PM   #1
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300 Win Mag - 1 Bullet

What one bullet in the 300 win mag would you consider for all lower 48 Rocky Mountain game pronghorn to grizzly?

Right now to me the 200 gr Accubond seems the best candidate.

Your thoughts?
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Old November 12, 2018, 06:52 PM   #2
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One bullet for everything. Sounds like you've got a good plan, I can't think of anything better. Unless they just didn't shoot well in my rifle.
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Old November 12, 2018, 07:51 PM   #3
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R&D by the bullet guys has today's 180-grain bullets equalling the penetration of yesterday's 200- and 220-grain bullets.

So, for a "do it all" bullet I'd go with a 180.
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Old November 12, 2018, 08:15 PM   #4
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180 Swift Scirocco II is one I have on hand and plan on working up a load for.

I'd like to try the A-frames also but they're so dang $$$!
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Old November 12, 2018, 09:20 PM   #5
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180 grain TSX.
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Old November 12, 2018, 09:22 PM   #6
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180 Swift Scirocco II is one I have on hand and plan on working up a load for.
If you can get them to shoot, you are a better man than me. I have never got them to go under 1 moa. That's in rifles that spit TSX and GMX 1/2 MOA.
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Old November 12, 2018, 09:46 PM   #7
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With the Barnes would you still use 180 or drop down to the 165 / 168 range?

Tipped or not tipped (TTSX vs TSX)?
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Old November 12, 2018, 09:51 PM   #8
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With the Barnes would you still use 180 or drop down to the 165 / 168 range?

Tipped or not tipped (TTSX vs TSX)?
Since you put great bears in the equation, I would use 180. I have always got better groups from the TSX than the TTSX. I could be wrong, but I think Barnes only offered the blue tip to keep up with the sales fad and market trend.
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Old November 12, 2018, 09:54 PM   #9
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Since we are talking about grizzlies, I'd say 200gr Barnes TTSX. 180gr would be good too.
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Old November 12, 2018, 10:13 PM   #10
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R&D by the bullet guys has today's 180-grain bullets equalling the penetration of yesterday's 200- and 220-grain bullets.

So, for a "do it all" bullet I'd go with a 180.
The BC's are enough better on the 200 that it will perform much better at longer distances.

The 180, even 165 gr, copper bullets will probably match the 200 AB in penetration, but they have to impact at 2000-2200 fps in order to expand. The AB's still expand down to 1600-1800 fps The copper bullets drop below that threshold at relative short range compared to where the 200 gr AB falls below 1800 fps.

The 180 gr copper bullets start being borderline fast enough past 500 yards. The 200 AB is still above 1800 fps to almost 800 yards. I still think the 200 AB is the best all around choice.

You buy a 300 WM to shoot long distance. Why handicap yourself with a short range bullet. And don't get me wrong. I like the TTSX bullets, but they are a good bullet for specific uses. Not the best all around bullet.
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Old November 12, 2018, 10:26 PM   #11
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Jmr40, I would disagree with your reasoning. The TSX is a fine long range bullet. It's lack of expansion at low velocity insures deep penetration even at lower velocity.
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Old November 13, 2018, 12:46 AM   #12
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And "beyond 500 yards" is a concern for a tiny minority of hunters... all of whom, if competent enough to make the shot, will be well practiced and thoroughly knowledgeable enough about their gear that our input would be unnecessary anyway.
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Old November 13, 2018, 12:51 AM   #13
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The 180 gr copper bullets start being borderline fast enough past 500 yards. The 200 AB is still above 1800 fps to almost 800 yards. I still think the 200 AB is the best all around choice.
It probably is the most versatile option, you're right. It's a great choice, for sure. It most certainly will do it.

If we are stipulating 800 yards, it's the winner. Should probably be looking at the 210 LRAB then too. And the 300 RUM.



Looks like the Barnes offering in 200gr is either TSX or LRX, not TTSX. The BC on the LRX is .546 vs 200gr Accubond is .588. The 200gr LRX loaded appropriately is going to be good to at least 500 yards. I still like the 200gr LRX (changing my answer) inside 500 yards which is where most people are hunting. For moose and griz, I'll take the Barnes and get closer if I have to.

Assuming where most people hunt, which is inside 350 yards, the Accubond takes the backseat to any 200gr Barnes bullet in my opinion (when it comes to Moose and Griz and quartering bull elk). Both bullets would do the trick though.


No way would I step down to 165gr in monolithic or 180gr in accubond, not because it wouldn't work, but because the cartridge is capable of flinging the heavies and the extra weight and BC are worth the recoil. And you're gonna put a brake on it anyway, if you're gonna shoot it enough to be confident at 800 yards.
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Old November 13, 2018, 03:58 AM   #14
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180 grain Nosler Accubond from deer to moose.
Might go to the 200 grain if I found myself in big yogi country.
Either factory ammo or hand loads.
The Nosler Trophy grade factory ammo is good and the only source of Nosler cases I know about.
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Old November 13, 2018, 09:03 AM   #15
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Not a long range hunter so no considerations there, I prefer to work within the point-blank range of the rifle and ammunition...
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Old November 13, 2018, 10:17 AM   #16
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200gr Barnes then, since moose and griz are in the picture.

The Accubond is a great bullet as well.
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Old November 13, 2018, 10:46 AM   #17
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I would feel well prepared and secure with a 180 grain Partition.
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Old November 13, 2018, 11:02 AM   #18
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.300 WM, pronghorn to brown bear, potential long range...?

My initial instinct is to go with a 180 gr Partition. A 200 would be fine, too. I know Partitions. I like Partitions.
But I'd probably try some 178 or 200 gr ELD-Xs before committing. They look promising.


The 180 gr weight class is more than enough for anything on this continent. The only reason I would step up to the 200 gr weight class would be if they shot better from the rifle(s) in question.
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Old November 13, 2018, 11:58 AM   #19
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I've stuck with 180 grain partitions in my 300 Weatherby which is similar. Based on some of the posts in this thread maybe I should experiment with 200 grain options more, but I admit I don't like experimenting too much with this caliber from an expense standpoint.
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Old November 14, 2018, 11:45 AM   #20
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Old November 14, 2018, 01:22 PM   #21
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Good bullets. If you want to try some, go for it. But, they're unnecessary in my opinion. Tougher than necessary, and notably more expensive that most other options that are perfectly adequate.

For other import options, I'd also be willing to use a Norma Oryx or Vulcan. I haven't used them in .300 WM, but they did very well for me in .270 Win and .30-06. I think I even already have a box of .308" 180 gr Oryx around here somewhere...
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Old November 14, 2018, 05:34 PM   #22
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.300 Win. mag., 200 gr. Speer Hot Core almost 2900 FPS, one dead elk at 530 yards laser measured. Groups average .375 to .50" at 100 yards. Rifle's Winchester M70 and three Ruger #1's two "S"models and a "B" model. I can substitute the 200 gr. Nosler Partition with very little change in POI and groups .80 to one inch with the PT. Works for me.
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Old November 15, 2018, 03:25 PM   #23
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Any bullets to avoid for this (admittedly broad) application?
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Old November 15, 2018, 07:16 PM   #24
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Obviously avoid match bullets, tmj, monolithic solid.
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Old November 16, 2018, 05:23 AM   #25
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I'm gonna split the difference, and suggest a bullet that performs well for me in the 7mm Rem Mag.
Nosler Accubond Long Range. In your case 190gr.
Won't go to little pieces at close range, and 0.301 G7 will help you out for longer shots.
Also they expand down to 1,300 fps ( as opposed to 1,800 fps with most other bullets), giving you a longer "mechanical" range.

Exvept for the big bruin part, i would have suggested a Berger bullet.
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