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Old April 7, 2019, 07:38 PM   #1
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metering varget ?

How do you guys meter varget powder ?
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Old April 7, 2019, 07:45 PM   #2
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I don't. I weigh out all my rifle loads.

I only throw pistol loads.
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Old April 7, 2019, 09:43 PM   #3
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My RCBS Uniflow measure works well with Varget.
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Old April 7, 2019, 10:45 PM   #4
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I use the ChargeMaster 1500 and double check with the GemPro 250, I'm using IMR 4064 each grain is .02 Varget is very similar. I'm only loading 30 at a time so I can take the time. My pet load for 308 using a Sierra 168 MK is 40.84 can get the 40.84 using the GemPro 250, accurate little scale. 0.002 case headspace with a 0.002 jump give me a consistent 0.5 200 yard group, at least year it did. I'm not changing anything, so will see what this year brings. How's your new Tikka coming along?
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Old April 8, 2019, 05:55 AM   #5
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My RCBS Uniflow measure works well with Varget.

Ditto ... I’m +/- about .1 to .2 grains. Good enough for paper. If I need anything more precise I’ll trickle up.
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Old April 8, 2019, 05:58 AM   #6
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I don't. I weigh out all my rifle loads.

I only throw pistol loads.
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Old April 8, 2019, 07:00 AM   #7
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I throw Varget with a (wait for it...) LEE Perfect Powder Measure. (The room goes silent.)

Seriously, it's all I've ever used for Varget and I've always been pleased with the accuracy and consistency of my ammo. When you find the sweet spot, Varget is pretty forgiving of minor variations in my experience.

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Old April 8, 2019, 07:04 AM   #8
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CM 1500 LITE does good for me.
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Old April 8, 2019, 07:52 AM   #9
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Varget's not a difficult powder to dump from any thrower. If you're particular about "exact" weights, use a dipper and go light, then trickle up to the "exact" weight.
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Old April 8, 2019, 08:33 AM   #10
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Thank you for the replies I appreciate it
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Old April 8, 2019, 09:02 AM   #11
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Not only do I find it meters well through Hornady and Dillon powder measures,I've been quite happy with the accuracy doing it.

When I operate a measure by hand,vs a progressive.I use a somewhat firm hand on the lever,and make a uniform,steady stroke till I bump the stop on both ends of the stroke.I don't think I take a full second each direction,but I do take at least a half second.I dwell a bit at the end of each stroke.

If I do run up against a "Crunch" that interrupts the stroke ,I reject the charge,throw another just to stabilize the process,then resume. Varget is pretty easy,like the "Short cut"4831,etc.


I grew up on the surplus 4831.That was a little crunchier,but it still worked fine.
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Old April 8, 2019, 10:14 AM   #12
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I throw H4895 from a manual Lee powder thrower and it’s virtually identical in size to Varget. It’s better the larger volume you are throwing because statistics, smaller variation versus the norm.

Someone already said above but a smooth motion to stop with a bit of bump for light vibration to kick the powder out and consistently doing that works well. Any differences and reject that throw, for instance if you bumped the loading table or the powder reservoir differently than normal just redo that one.

I hand throw all rifle loads, and Lee auto powder measure all pistol loads, both being by volume.

But in general, anything finer cut meters better by volume. For instance LT32 which has about the same stick diameter as H4895 but is cut at about 1/3 the stick length.



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Old April 8, 2019, 11:07 AM   #13
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I don't. I weigh out all my rifle loads.

I only throw pistol loads.
same here unless I am loading AR15 fodder using TAC
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Old April 8, 2019, 12:47 PM   #14
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when you are using Varget how much variation in charge weight is acceptable ?
If you are throwing 24.5 grains how many tenths variation is acceptable and still hold accuracy ?
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Old April 8, 2019, 12:55 PM   #15
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I have always weighed my powders even with a powder throw.

Currently I have two auto dispenser, I have a third digital scale I cross check those with.

The Lyam varies 1/10 under, spot on, sometimes over but its cross checks.

The Hornady is mostly spot on but it says one weight and sometimes is 3/10 off. I suspect it held long enough on "right" that it latched but was off.

I tend to check that a lot more often.
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Old April 8, 2019, 01:08 PM   #16
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"...+/- about .1 to .2 grains..." That's enough to have or not have one hole groups. However, it depends on the bullet and purpose of the loads. Hunting ammo doesn't need the meticulous techniques match ammo requires.
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Old April 8, 2019, 01:10 PM   #17
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when you are using Varget how much variation in charge weight is acceptable ?
If you are throwing 24.5 grains how many tenths variation is acceptable and still hold accuracy ?
I can't tell you exactly what the variation was, but I can say 8-10 years ago, when my eyes were better and I was in practice, thrown charges of 25.0gr of Varget under a 69gr match bullet were good enough to hit a 1-MOA spotting disc at 300 yards consistently. This with an AR15 service rifle using aperture sights, prone with a sling. My pit pullers learned to use a golf tee to plug the holes. And I'm not the only one they did it for.

(My local club would shoot prone slow fire at 300 yards on reduced Highpower targets.)

My 600 yard ammo was good enough to hit the 1-MOA spotter most of the time too. And I threw the charges for that ammo too.

I'd only weigh and trickle individual charges for extreme long range use, extremely small targets or if i had a wickedly accurate rig. I just haven't seen evidence that it's strictly necessary inside 600 yards for my uses.

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Old April 8, 2019, 02:10 PM   #18
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I'd only weigh and trickle individual charges for extreme long range use, extremely small targets or if i had a wickedly accurate rig. I just haven't seen evidence that it's strictly necessary inside 600 yards for my uses.
Ditto.

In my experience, the trick to getting the best results from a powder measure is to work up your load with a ladder test, to find a sweet spot where small variations in powder charge do not have much of an impact your accuracy.

20-odd years ago, Precision Shooting Magazine (back when that was a thing) did a comparison test of a bunch of powder measures, (this was pre-electronic dispensers).

I don't remember who won, but Lee and RCBS were comparable, and both were pretty close to the top of the list.
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Old April 8, 2019, 02:36 PM   #19
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Lyman #55 measure. Set the slides to give a deep narrow cavity , not a shallow wide cavity... that's a little secrete with the #55 and those 3 slides and powder like Varget.
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Old April 8, 2019, 02:44 PM   #20
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You think like me , how many tenths are acceptable . That's the exact reason I got the GemPro 250 scale . Once I found a load th hiat shot well in my 308 40.8gr. I thought is it at the low side of the tenths or higher . My loads are 40.84 that's pretty accurate considering one grain of IMR 4064 is .02

Now that's the load I shoot all the time , I'm shooting a new lot of bullets , same bullet , same settings , I don't expect much of a change . Also each season I start with new brass , 30 cases of FC 30 cases of HSM and 30 cases of ADI , I rotate Brand's each week , all are very close in thickness , all last the entire season without issues .

I shoot only in the warmer months 50 and above , getting soft in my older years , though I could use the cold as an excuse for screwing up a group . Once you find the load that groups really good stick with it enjoy shooting and concentrate on shooting form . Will keep you sane . Enjoy the shooting season .

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Old April 8, 2019, 05:21 PM   #21
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Thanks Chris. Same here winters and snow don't agree with me any longer. I like the warmer weather.
PS How is your son doing ?
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Old April 8, 2019, 05:44 PM   #22
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My powder drop used to drop Varget fairly good but my last batch of .223 reloads has a few rounds of what I shot didn't get enough powder. I had a few that shot soft & the last round I shot didn't cycle the action. So I stopped I checked it for a squib round in the barrel. I'll have to pull the rest to see what has happened. I think I will be weighing every round from now on when I use Varget.
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Thanks for asking . He's doing well , hopefully this will be his last tour. He is going to be 49 and still running around with team member almost 20 years younger , but he loves it . I was always into shooting even before the service , never got into hunting comming from the city I guess but always was into one shot accuracy an target shooting . Always new dies , reloading methods and chasing after that perfect load . Be Safe out there and thanks again .

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Old April 8, 2019, 08:10 PM   #24
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Like any other stick powder, throw and trickle.
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Old April 9, 2019, 12:57 PM   #25
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I throw Varget with a (wait for it...) LEE Perfect Powder Measure. (The room goes silent.)

Seriously, it's all I've ever used for Varget and I've always been pleased with the accuracy and consistency of my ammo. When you find the sweet spot, Varget is pretty forgiving of minor variations in my experience.

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