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Old April 22, 2019, 06:30 PM   #26
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The best thing Bill Clinton did was leave the internet alone and not make it a source of revenue. It probably really helped the net (along with porn) get established and grow at a rapid pace. Alas, it had to happen eventually. Hope you enjoyed it while it lasted.
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Old April 22, 2019, 06:36 PM   #27
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In any case, i will categorize this as extortion, A lot of these companies tax their Customers and use that Money to pay tax they are suppose to pay. i know a lot of people that don't check their purchase receipts. they don't even know.
Seriously? Sorry, but how old are you? You really do not seem to have any grasp on what is involved with a business and the dealings with government. Do you thing that your employer (I'm assuming you have a job) only has employee costs equal to your hourly wage?
It is absolutely amazing how some folks have no idea how any of this works.
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Old April 22, 2019, 07:47 PM   #28
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Mr. Elkins, they do not represent me. They are supposed to represent me but they don't. It's still taxation without representation.
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Old April 22, 2019, 08:45 PM   #29
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If they were elected, then they represent you; whether or not you voted for them
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Old April 22, 2019, 09:50 PM   #30
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Mr. Elkins, they do not represent me. They are supposed to represent me but they don't. It's still taxation without representation.
That’s not how representative government works.
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Old April 23, 2019, 12:20 AM   #31
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In any case, i will categorize this as extortion,
In case no one ever told you this before, TAXES are extortion.

When the government does it, its called taxation and it is legal. So legal that if you don't pay, YOU are the criminal.

If a private individual or group does it, they call it extortion, and the government says it is illegal.
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Old April 23, 2019, 12:58 AM   #32
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In any case, i will categorize this as extortion,
In case no one ever told you this before, TAXES are extortion.

When the government does it, its called taxation and it is legal. So legal that if you don't pay, YOU are the criminal.

If a private individual or group does it, they call it extortion, and the government says it is illegal.
In the case of Midway collecting sales tax on internet sales, however, it's important to note that Midway is not the extortionist. The government is doing the extorting. The government has simply delegated to merchants the role of collecting sales tax on behalf of the state(s). Midway doesn't get anything out of it -- they have to turn around and send the money to the various states who demand that Midway act as their collection agent.

As others have already commented, we were always supposed to pay sales tax in mail order purchases, but there was no mechanism to enforce it, so the government let it slide. The free ride has ended, that's all.
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Old April 23, 2019, 03:34 AM   #33
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Get use to it, it will be the norm. Besides, it's a bit fairer when it comes to competition with the local mom & pop stores.
This^^^. (bold is my own emphasis.)

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Please consider, before cutting ties with Midway USA is the literally $millions they have put in to direct NRA donations and their unforgiving attempts to urge customers to donate and the pioneering efforts they've made for this cause with their ingenious NRA Round-Up program
And this^^^.

Not doing business with Midway would be cutting off my nose to spite my face.
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Old April 23, 2019, 06:40 AM   #34
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The SCOTUS ruling on internet sales tax:

The highest U.S. court made the decision after South Dakota in 2016 filed a lawsuit against major pure-play online retailers Wayfair W +0% , Overstock.com and Newegg regarding state tax collection. Thursday's ruling in effect overturned a prior court decision in 1992 that had given a sales tax advantage to online retailers.


In the majority opinion written by Justice Anthony Kennedy, the Supreme Court said times have changed to such a degree that online retailers no longer qualify for “an arbitrary advantage over their competitors who collect state sales taxes” by claiming they don’t have a physical presence in a state.

“The internet’s prevalence and power have changed the dynamics of the national economy,” Justice Kennedy wrote. He added that internet players not collecting sales tax have cost states as much as $33 billion in sales tax revenue each year.
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Old April 23, 2019, 09:41 AM   #35
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Amazon charges sales tax and their business seems to be doing fine. If you oppose more taxation don't blame your fellow citizens blame your elected officials.
I order a lot of stuff from Amazon and whether they charge sales tax or not depends on who is supplying the product and their location. I pay sales tax on some items and don't on others. You don't know until you go to checkout.
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Old April 23, 2019, 11:45 AM   #36
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If Amazon has a presence in your state, they will charge you sales tax.
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Old April 23, 2019, 11:54 AM   #37
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Great. I'm fully in favor of online sales being charged sales tax at the local rate. It was totally unreasonable and self destructive to give out of state sales an automatic price advantage equal to the local sales tax amount
The problem for businesses is determining what that rate is and what is applies to. There are over 20,000 different sales tax rates across the country. I used to work for the software vendor of the largest sales and use tax software in the country. Determining exactly what tax to collect and how properly remit it is a huge (and costly) undertaking.

Add to that the issue of "what" is taxable. Granted, with shooting stuff the answer is probably going to be "everything" but with other types of merchandise the answer is "depends". For example: If a person walks into a Florida grocery store and buys a box of breakfast bars that would be an exempt transaction because Fl doesn't tax groceries. However, if a person walks into a convenience store and buys just ONE breakfast bar then that is a taxable transaction because FL taxes snack items. You multiply that kind of political whimsy across all the taxing jurisdictions and you have a complete mess on your hands.

The true solution to all of this would be for Congress to step in and create a uniform system of rules that would apply uniformly to all out-of-state sales (which Congress could legally due because the Constitution gives the federal government the power to regulate interstate commerce).
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Old April 23, 2019, 01:04 PM   #38
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Well if the old taxes were collected then we might not need new taxes. I’m not in favor of many of the taxes we have; but if we have them, might as well collect them.

I just live my life like I’m gonna get taxed and then if I don’t great.
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Old April 23, 2019, 11:45 PM   #39
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Well if the old taxes were collected then we might not need new taxes.
If the old laws were enforced we might not need new ones??

Good luck convincing current politicians of that..

Collecting tax newly being required by LAW (court order, etc.) is not the fault of the business. They don't have a choice.

This is a much different situation than the "Hazmat Charges" added some years ago. Those are a case of the industry voluntarily sticking the consumer with an additional fee and blaming the Government.

If you didn't boycott your supplier for that, you shouldn't, for this.
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Old April 24, 2019, 07:29 AM   #40
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No company CHARGES sales tax. They collect it for SOME residents States.
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Old April 24, 2019, 08:00 AM   #41
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he true solution to all of this would be for Congress to step in and create a uniform system of rules that would apply uniformly to all out-of-state sales (which Congress could legally due because the Constitution gives the federal government the power to regulate interstate commerce).
That would be a VAT, commonly used in Europe where the tax is built in to the price ahead of time.
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Old April 24, 2019, 08:59 AM   #42
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That would be a VAT, commonly used in Europe where the tax is built in to the price ahead of time.
That would certainly be one possible solution. A simpler solution would be to skinny down the sales tax requirements (for interstate sales only) so that sales to a given state would be subject to one and only one rate for the entire state; one and only one remission point for the entire state (as opposed to a remission point in every parish in LA), and none of the vast system of exempt/nonexempt items. That kind of system would be very manageable for even the smallest retailers.
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Old April 24, 2019, 09:14 AM   #43
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Absolutely; the best way for that would be to use the actual STATE sales tax. Florida has a STATE sales tax of 6%. Local governments have the option to add anywhere up to an additional 1.5% on top of that. So, for this instance, a Midway or Amazon or whomever would collect 6% and remit to Tallahassee.
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Old April 24, 2019, 11:15 AM   #44
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That would be a VAT, commonly used in Europe where the tax is built in to the price ahead of time.
isn't the VAT a big tub where they brew beer and make wine??? Or other chemicals??

or do you mean like the Pittman-Roberts tax (is it still 11%?) on all firearms, ammo, bows, fishing gear, etc?? Before we buy them.

Or the various Federal and state taxes added into the price of gasoline? Before we buy it...

Not everyone thinks top down one size fits all Federal control is a good thing (no matter what the issue).

The problem with the ONE RING isn't that it controls the others, the problem is that it was made in Mordor...
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Old April 24, 2019, 04:36 PM   #45
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If Amazon has a presence in your state, they will charge you sales tax.
If Amazon has a presence in your state, they charge you sales tax but only for the things they provide. If the seller on Amazon does not have a presence in your state, they do not charge sales tax unless the seller has a presence in your state. Just because you buy something from Amazon, it does not mean you are actually buying from them as you might be buying from a 3rd party.
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Just because you buy something from Amazon, it does not mean you are actually buying from them as you might be buying from a 3rd party.

Admitedly, I'm a simple fellow, so could you explain how you aren't buying something from someone if they are the people you pay the money to for whatever it is you are buying??

If I understand things correctly, one cannot legally sell someone one does not legally own. One need not physically possess what is sold, but if you don't have legal ownership, (title, etc.) then selling it is fraud.

Isn't it?


Amazon may pay the 3rd party and have them ship it to you, but if you pay Amazon (not the 3rd party) I'd say you bought it from Amazon.

If you buy a S&W from the "Shootin' Shack" you don't pay S&W, you didn't buy it from the Shootin Shack, you paid the Shooting Shack, so you bought it from the Shootin Shack.


How is Amazon any different??
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If the seller on Amazon does not have a presence in your state, they do not charge sales tax unless the seller has a presence in your state.
That was the "old" rule. Recent Supreme Court decision killed that.
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Old April 24, 2019, 09:04 PM   #48
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This has gone on long enough without any actual firearms content.
Closed.
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