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Old June 3, 2016, 05:05 PM   #26
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I live in Miami. Anytime I am out and about, I am in alert mode.
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Old June 3, 2016, 07:03 PM   #27
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My decisions about when to carry are based on a variety of factors. But it's just a personal calculation. I'm not here to pass judgment on what others decide about carrying.

When I first got my permit I actually sat down with my wife and hashed it out. I also went on THR and asked and the general concencis was that since I can't predict when or where I carry (where legally permitted) every time I leave home (I later upgraded to carrying any time I'm not in bed).

We don't know for certain what this incident was about and I still think you could have defused it while the woman was a block or so away but the fact is that you don't know they weren't armed. All you know is that you didn't see a gun or club, or what ever weapon that guy may have had on his seat.

I'd strongly suggest you take this as a message from the Universe that you might want to rethink your carry options.
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Old June 4, 2016, 01:28 AM   #28
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Oh, completely agree that a firearm wouldn't likely have been helpful in this situation unless it went in another direction.

Even still, if one happens to be the type to dissect such a situation, it seems (to me) that one is the type to CARRY. Unless one feels like he knows when the threat is REAL, and only carries at those times.

Which is ludicrous.
Ludicrous if you think you "know" and 10x ludicrous if you leave your home that day if/when you KNOW.
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Old June 4, 2016, 03:54 AM   #29
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I went to South Africa earlier this year. I would have felt safer in Johannesburg if I was carrying, but I couldn't. I feel the same way when I go to NYC and other US cities. I am content to develop and hone non-carrying skills in Maine.

A moose wandered into town last year and spent time on my street. But I didn't
start bringing my 870 on walks afterwards.
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Old June 4, 2016, 09:45 AM   #30
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The few times I have let a stranger use my phone in an environment that was not controlled (ie the outdoors, not in an office, shop etc) I have asked for the number they want to dial, then whack it on speaker. They can then speak and listen if needed.

I don't let go of the phone. Tough luck if they are offended.
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Old June 4, 2016, 07:23 PM   #31
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It's all good, just explaining how it seems to me.

Like most of us, I know and spend time with many folks who don't carry and some who cannot understand it at all, in any way. I will often liken it to having a spare tire or a fire extinguisher.

With a fire extinguisher in the kitchen, basement and garage...
I don't start small fires on purpose or get stupid and reckless with combustibles. I also don't run around the neighborhood looking for fires and hot spots.

With a ready spare tire in my trunk, I don't specifically seek-out the back lot of the pallet factory or the discount nail & fastener warehouse. I also don't choose a hazardous street on purpose because I know I have an extra tire in the trunk.

However, along the same lines, I don't kick the spare tire out for extra trunk space and I sure don't put the spare back in the trunk before a "hazardous" or long trip. That's silly, because I know I can't predict a flat. Instead, the tire is always in the trunk, and the extinguishers are where I expect them to be and if, God forbid any of them are NEEDED, they are at the ready.

Like my carry gun. But hey, that's just me.
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Old June 6, 2016, 08:36 PM   #32
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Every time someone approaches me, as they begin their spiel, whatever it is, I respond with:

"Unless you are giving Sh** away, the answer is no."

I had a guy diagonally cutting through a parking lot at night once in Downtown Dallas. At about 15 ft, he started the "Say man, can I ask you a question...?"

I turned and said "No, you should find something else to do."

He said "dang, you're having a bad day, I'll go now."

I do not randomly approach strangers in public, I do not expect others to do so to me. Its an attempt to get close to me. I don't want someone close to me. I feel it's easier to establish that right off the bat.
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Old June 7, 2016, 01:29 PM   #33
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She had two working legs, it wasn't late at night on a dangerous street and Freeport isn't exactly a tough town.

I think I would have walked right by and I definitely wouldn't hand my cell to a stranger.

Like many other places, Maine is rapidly filling up with junkies.

I'm not surprised the PD was interested. Tourist shopping towns have a lot to lose by getting a reputation as "not a safe place to shop"

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Old June 7, 2016, 03:26 PM   #34
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That's silly, because I know I can't predict a flat. Instead, the tire is always in the trunk, and the extinguishers are where I expect them to be and if, God forbid any of them are NEEDED, they are at the ready.
You've got a valid point, but...

Sometimes a spare isn't the best answer to a flat.
A shovel or spaghetti pot can often put out a fire with considerably less mess and expense than an extinguisher.

There are so many places I can't legally carry a firearm.

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Old June 7, 2016, 04:38 PM   #35
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Entirely true. Well, the argument against a spare tire, haha, I can't exactly see that. If you are on the road more than 50 yards from home and you get a flat tire... unless you drive a Ferrari, I don't see a better solution than a spare tire.

I can say this for sure--
It's always going to be different for each and every one of us. Due to the places we live, the jobs we work and the people that we surround ourselves with, we'll all never see this the same way. Easy now for me to see since being divorced. Now, it's a mostly rare event that I put myself in places where I can't carry. Especially for vacation and entertainment venues. I don't have to go places my wife wanted to visit, I am free to avoid places I don't care to be. Not always, for sure, but for the most part.

Was discussing in another forum the "plan" for another guy to go visit his grown children on Long Island, NY... and bring along a carry gun. The conversation becomes frustrating for any Pro-2A type. It gets very hard to stomach for me.
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Old June 7, 2016, 07:00 PM   #36
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I think the biggest and best takeaway for the OP is this: You have very good instincts. Next time, follow through in honoring them.

And thanks for sharing.

And to paraphrase the most interesting man in the world, "I don't always carry.....and when I don't....I'm really aware of it."
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