alox wax

c.j.sikes · March 30, 2011, 12:48 PM

i would like to try the N R A type of bullet wax but can not find any alox for sale. need help. cjs

Pahoo · March 30, 2011, 01:09 PM

The last Alox I got, was a Lee product and I believe Lyman makes this as well. Try Midway ....

Be Safe !!!

snuffy · March 30, 2011, 02:11 PM

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=653882

It doesn't need a heater, but is very sticky and will flow right off the boolit if it gets above 85 degrees.

Pahoo · March 30, 2011, 03:33 PM

Also;

http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/#Alo..._1-2-4_8-16-32

Be Safe !!!

parttime · March 30, 2011, 05:35 PM

White Label lube Co.
www.LsStuff.com/lube

It can be purchased off of e-bay
Great price, great stuff!!

hornetguy · March 31, 2011, 08:55 AM

If you mean the NRA formula of 50-50 alox/beeswax, that is what Lee sells in stick form, and also Javelina, I think. I bought 3 sticks of the Javelina last time, and it was slightly cheaper than the Lee. I use it for pan lubing, and it works great. It does tend to get softer and stickier as the temps get over 85 or so. My solution would be to just load em up. The case walls will keep the lube from going anywhere!

dahermit · March 31, 2011, 09:13 AM

Quote:

i would like to try the N R A type of bullet wax...

Bullet "lubricant", not "bullet wax".

Nevertheless, you can get it here:
http://www.jakesproducts.com/fifty/index.html

hornetguy · March 31, 2011, 10:34 AM

plus, you can buy the Jakes lubes on Fleabay... pretty good prices, too.

dikko · May 23, 2011, 12:38 PM

The NRA formula is 50/50 Alox/Beeswax, developed in the sixties. The NRA wanted a better all round lube than the various concoctions then in use. It took a lot of work and many formulas were tested. A product of Alox Corporation, 2138, was promising when mixed with beeswax, but the NRA wanted it further developed. The final version was 2138F, which is a thick grease. Commercial beeswax is nothing more than yellow beeswax with any dirt or other impurities filtered out.

It became the universally standard lube, made by various companies, of which Lee is perhaps the best known. It is still as good a lube as any in my opinion. For commercial use it was eclipsed by the later hard waxes which are cleaner to use and don't mess up adjacent bullets when packaged for ale.

I used the 1" 4" hollow sticks for my own bullets. But when I started commercial casting, the sticks were too expensive, so I imported drums of 2138F direct from Alox Corp, and mixed it with locally available beeswax. It cost me one tenth the cost of hollow sticks.

The bad news is that Alox Corp was bought by another company, whose name escapes me right now, and 2138F is no longer made. So, whatever Lee and others are using to make their lube, it is not the Alox of the original NRA formula.

The good news is that many good lubes are now available, and some good home brews, look into "Cast Boolits."

reloader28 · May 23, 2011, 08:57 PM

I got mine from e-bay, tho I cant remember which company.
He sells the 50/50 lube or other mixes and 2lb cakes of alox.
I just mix it 50/50 with beeswax I got from a beekeeper and add 10% parafin wax to mine.
I really like that mixture. I use it in everything from 380 and 45 auto to higher rifle loads.
I've went to 2800fps with no leading that I've found so far.

studman5578 · June 30, 2011, 03:00 PM

Reloader 28, do you also have a gas check on the rounds exceeding 2000 fps?

I'm doing preliminary research now so if I sound stupid, please forgive me, but how do you apply that particular type of lubricant? Do you use a lubrisizer?

dahermit · June 30, 2011, 03:54 PM

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/

Look at the bullet lube area on the above link.

Note: although the particular alox used in the NRA formula is no longer made, the "New" alox is the same as the "old" alox except for one ingredient that can be added to it, and therefore the old alox based 50/50 formula can be recreated.

reloader28 · July 1, 2011, 08:35 AM

Yes, that is with gas checks and a lubesizer.

March 30, 2011, 12:48 PM	#1
c.j.sikes Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2006 Location: marlow okla Posts: 227	alox wax i would like to try the N R A type of bullet wax but can not find any alox for sale. need help. cjs

March 30, 2011, 02:11 PM	#3
snuffy Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2001 Location: Oshkosh wi. Posts: 3,055	http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=653882 It doesn't need a heater, but is very sticky and will flow right off the boolit if it gets above 85 degrees. __________________ The more people I meet, the more I love my dog They're going to get their butts kicked over there this election. How come people can't spell and use words correctly?

March 30, 2011, 05:35 PM	#5
parttime Member Join Date: August 25, 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 82	White Label lube Co. www.LsStuff.com/lube It can be purchased off of e-bay Great price, great stuff!! __________________ The wants of the many DO NOT outweigh my needs.

June 30, 2011, 03:00 PM	#11
studman5578 Senior Member Join Date: March 4, 2009 Location: Varying between 1 and 3 hours from Chicago Posts: 152	Reloader 28, do you also have a gas check on the rounds exceeding 2000 fps? I'm doing preliminary research now so if I sound stupid, please forgive me, but how do you apply that particular type of lubricant? Do you use a lubrisizer? __________________ Rev 5:13 "To him who sits on the throne and the Lamb be praise honor and glory and power, for ever and ever"

June 30, 2011, 03:54 PM	#12
dahermit Senior Member Join Date: October 28, 2006 Location: South Central Michigan...near Posts: 6,501	Alox 50/50 http://castboolits.gunloads.com/ Look at the bullet lube area on the above link. Note: although the particular alox used in the NRA formula is no longer made, the "New" alox is the same as the "old" alox except for one ingredient that can be added to it, and therefore the old alox based 50/50 formula can be recreated.

March 30, 2011, 01:09 PM	#2
Pahoo Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2006 Location: IOWA Posts: 8,783	The last Alox I got, was a Lee product and I believe Lyman makes this as well. Try Midway .... Be Safe !!!

March 30, 2011, 03:33 PM	#4
Pahoo Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2006 Location: IOWA Posts: 8,783	Also; http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/#Alo..._1-2-4_8-16-32 Be Safe !!!

March 31, 2011, 08:55 AM	#6
hornetguy Senior Member Join Date: January 14, 2011 Location: on the north side of DFW Posts: 970	If you mean the NRA formula of 50-50 alox/beeswax, that is what Lee sells in stick form, and also Javelina, I think. I bought 3 sticks of the Javelina last time, and it was slightly cheaper than the Lee. I use it for pan lubing, and it works great. It does tend to get softer and stickier as the temps get over 85 or so. My solution would be to just load em up. The case walls will keep the lube from going anywhere!

March 31, 2011, 10:34 AM	#8
hornetguy Senior Member Join Date: January 14, 2011 Location: on the north side of DFW Posts: 970	plus, you can buy the Jakes lubes on Fleabay... pretty good prices, too.

May 23, 2011, 12:38 PM	#9
dikko Member Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 22	The NRA formula is 50/50 Alox/Beeswax, developed in the sixties. The NRA wanted a better all round lube than the various concoctions then in use. It took a lot of work and many formulas were tested. A product of Alox Corporation, 2138, was promising when mixed with beeswax, but the NRA wanted it further developed. The final version was 2138F, which is a thick grease. Commercial beeswax is nothing more than yellow beeswax with any dirt or other impurities filtered out. It became the universally standard lube, made by various companies, of which Lee is perhaps the best known. It is still as good a lube as any in my opinion. For commercial use it was eclipsed by the later hard waxes which are cleaner to use and don't mess up adjacent bullets when packaged for ale. I used the 1" 4" hollow sticks for my own bullets. But when I started commercial casting, the sticks were too expensive, so I imported drums of 2138F direct from Alox Corp, and mixed it with locally available beeswax. It cost me one tenth the cost of hollow sticks. The bad news is that Alox Corp was bought by another company, whose name escapes me right now, and 2138F is no longer made. So, whatever Lee and others are using to make their lube, it is not the Alox of the original NRA formula. The good news is that many good lubes are now available, and some good home brews, look into "Cast Boolits."

May 23, 2011, 08:57 PM	#10
reloader28 Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2009 Location: nw wyoming Posts: 1,061	I got mine from e-bay, tho I cant remember which company. He sells the 50/50 lube or other mixes and 2lb cakes of alox. I just mix it 50/50 with beeswax I got from a beekeeper and add 10% parafin wax to mine. I really like that mixture. I use it in everything from 380 and 45 auto to higher rifle loads. I've went to 2800fps with no leading that I've found so far.

July 1, 2011, 08:35 AM	#13
reloader28 Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2009 Location: nw wyoming Posts: 1,061	Yes, that is with gas checks and a lubesizer.

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