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View Poll Results: Does an Armed Citizen have a Moral/Ethical Duty to Retreat (complete safety) | |||
Yep, at all times | 30 | 13.89% | |
Nope, Never | 92 | 42.59% | |
Yep, but only on the street, not in the Home/Business | 63 | 29.17% | |
I'm not ansering because I dont want to seem either wimpy or bloodthirsty | 15 | 6.94% | |
I'd rather have pic of you and Spiff iwearing spandex loincloths lard wrestling in a baby pool. | 16 | 7.41% | |
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June 22, 2009, 10:16 AM | #326 |
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Okay here's a question for everyone who supports the notion that we should never take a life when it is not absolutely necessary....
Do you support the death penalty for certain imprisoned convicts? |
June 22, 2009, 10:27 AM | #327 | |
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If you are just asking what types of crimes I would support death penalty for, I actually have an extensive list, but I don't want to stray down that path right now.
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June 22, 2009, 10:47 AM | #329 |
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The death penalty is not usually given to people stealing your VCR. If the argument is that the property criminal deserves to be executed for that specific crime, it is not a moral decision in my opinion.
The use of lethal force during a property crime, as someone in your house, is that they pose a threat to you, not because you are executing them as punishment for stealing your stuff. We had several kids steal a sign from our lawn - while I wanted them caught and punished - they did not to be executed.
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June 22, 2009, 11:00 AM | #331 |
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Good point GSU, course it would have to be someone really desperate to steal a VCR. Someone that desperate might be dangerous Glenn.
Also Glenn, make sure you don't put all your valuable in one place. Don't keep the betamax next to the 8-track player.
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June 22, 2009, 11:08 AM | #332 |
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Nope, big boy rules apply; for both the parties.
It doesn't really matter what someone else not in your shoes would do morally. In the end it will be a legal matter and that is the only opinion that matters. |
June 22, 2009, 11:15 AM | #333 |
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I still have an expensive VCR and a box of tapes of good movies. However, the cost of all that is far less than the financial hit of shooting someone in the house to save them (as compared to me).
Just talking to the lawyer is going to run $5K. Wait, the guy is going after my 78's and turn table - bang, bang! We once did a thread about would you shoot to save the Mona Lisa? You are a guard at the museum and a nutso is running towards it with a spray can. Do you open fire? Is that moral or should you try to tackle him? The reason I mentioned VCR - is that in the old days, those were prime targets for burglars. Today it would be your laptop or IPhone.
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June 22, 2009, 11:33 AM | #335 | |
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When a judge hands out the death penalty and the penal system carries it out it is for punishment. This serves two purposes: 1) to remove a dangerous individual from society 2) to create a deterrent to others who would consider the same path. They have the authority to do this because society has appointed them to their positions and charged them with this task. YOU do NOT have that authority... but if you live in a free state you DO have the right to defend yourself.
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June 22, 2009, 12:40 PM | #336 |
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Life in prison without parole keeps one out of society.
If the death penalty were any kind of a deterrant, why are there thousands on death row? They don't seem to deterred. Now if tomorrow, every death row person were executed (electric bleachers) then maybe a deterrent would exist. The penalty of death is for justice to be carried out based on the crime. Some crimes warrant it. Others do not. All this has nothing to do with duty to retreat. |
June 22, 2009, 12:57 PM | #337 |
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Here is another wrinkle.
It might even be deserving of it's own poll.
If you have a way to retreat during a home invasion, and have chosen to do so for reasons of your own, does it affect your decision to retreat if doing so would leave your pets at the mercy of the invader? If you could get out but could not take your dogs and/or cats would that cause you to stay and defend your home instead of retreat? |
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June 22, 2009, 01:00 PM | #339 |
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pets are not in the equation for me and home invasion.
my beagle will howl and then get under the bed. i will not be taking focus off of intruders while retreating or not to bother with animals. People come first. I can get another beagle for $75.00 and give him a good life for 13 years (current dog's age) |
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I would see it totally differently. I would see it as "would I harm a human invader to protect my dog?" My answer would be "Hell, yes." I like my dogs way more than most law abiding people I meet...much less criminals. |
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June 22, 2009, 01:03 PM | #341 |
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so you shot and killed Mr so and so, why?
because I thought he was going to kill my cat. really? |
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June 22, 2009, 01:08 PM | #343 |
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threat to you and yours (wife/kids), sure.
threat to fish or gerbil or dog? My dog is a part of the family but he is a dog. Not a child. Child is first. Dog is not even a close second. Dog is on his own in home invasion. my actions and thoughts are based on the humans and their lives. |
June 22, 2009, 01:23 PM | #344 |
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No, I would not shoot someone to defend my pet. Much as I like them, I don't consider my pet to be worth risking my life. If you do, well then bully for you, I don't agree with your choice but I respect that you're following your belief.
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Edit: To clarify: I was merely illustrating in the above statement how highly I esteem human life above animal life. I was speaking metaphorically. It was a bad and confusing analogy, I removed it. I can understand how it sounds harsh to you and some other people. I've had to put family pets to sleep before for terminal illness. I got over it. It would be hypocritical for me to say I highly esteem the life of a beast and then turn around and use it for food and clothing. Killing a person would probably haunt me for a long time, even under the most just circumstances.
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