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Old December 26, 2017, 02:26 PM   #1
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Precision Bullets 200gr. SWC

I thought I saw some opinions on Precision Bullets here somewhere, but I can't find it when I search.
Do any of you have first-hand experience with Precision Bullets?
I am considering their 200gr. SWC for my .45s.
$100.00 per thousand delivered seems pretty good in this market.
They don't give any details on their website about hardness, coating, etc. so this info would help, too.
Whether yea, nay, or blah, please share your experiences.
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Old December 26, 2017, 02:34 PM   #2
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Precision Bullets are swaged with certified 6/2 lead alloy. We then apply our unique dry-lube formula. This process completely encases the precision lead core. What does this mean for you? Safe for indoor ranges. No leading in the barrel. Fire more rounds downrange between cleanings. Load twice as long and twice as much before cleaning your dies. Less smoke since no messy wax lubricants are used.
That's all I could find on their website. I hate looking for lead bullets, especially for hunting without the BH listed.
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Old December 26, 2017, 09:00 PM   #3
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Precision bullets (specifically the 200 gr SWC) are well-made and clean to handle. They load and shoot flawlessly for us.
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Old December 27, 2017, 09:26 AM   #4
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I don't have experience with Precision. I do have experience with Missouri Bullet Company however and can recommend them. They have six different types of 200gn SWC from $42.50/box 500 to $49.50/box 500 - both coated and regular, grooved and not.

Their shipping is flat rate, $14.00 per 65 lbs.(about 2,000 bullets.) That makes the price within a few bucks from the price from Precision.

The one I have used specifically is the IDP#1:


IDP #1

.452 Diameter
.45 ACP
200 Grain SWC
Brinell 18
For Major Power Factor
Price per box of 500
Price: $42.50

That's $99 for 1000 shipped.
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Old December 27, 2017, 10:07 AM   #5
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That's all I could find on their website. I hate looking for lead bullets, especially for hunting without the BH listed.
Missouri bullet company has a nice article about lead hardness:

http://missouribullet.com/technical.php
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Old December 27, 2017, 01:50 PM   #6
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A quick comment regarding bullet hardness (BHN). The commercial casters have done a wonderful job of convincing guys that they need hard and super hard lead bullets. Most of the manufacturers offer just 12 BHN and 18 BHN bullets. Consider this: Elmer Keith designed the .44 Magnum round around a cast bullet at 11 BHN. Oh, and then they add insult to injury by lubing their bullets with a super hard lube with the consistancy of a crayon. But, their bullets ship well, and they sure do look pretty.

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Old December 27, 2017, 04:56 PM   #7
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Swagged lead bullets will be soft , they are normally used at lower velocities.
The soft lead will deform at high velocity and the dry lube "coat" will not prevent leading of the bore if pushed too fast.
For light target loads , plinking and tin can shooting they work just fine.

Cast bullets are usually of a harder alloy , contain more lubricant and can be driven to a higher velocity.

If you are looking for bullets for light loads the Precision bullets are just the ticket.

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Old December 27, 2017, 05:35 PM   #8
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Cast bullets are usually of a harder alloy , contain more lubricant and can be driven to a higher velocity.
Yes, unfortunately, commercial cast bullets use a hard alloy, much too hard for any practical purpose. But, hey, antimony is cheap, tin is expensive. Since I cast my own, I match the alloy used to the bullet's intended purpose. The bullet on the left came out of a Colt Gold Cup at ~800fps, while the middle bullet exited my S&W snubbie at 840fps. Improperly sized and lubed bullets are responsible for much more leading problems than bullets not being hard enough.

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Old December 27, 2017, 11:00 PM   #9
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Precision bullets were the first “coated” bullets that I shot around 15 years ago. They were cast back then and David has always been tight lipped about his coating.

Maybe a decade ago he switched to swaged bullets and the 230 RN have a little flat spot on the tip that needs to be accounted for in OAL and the 200 SWC are a little more pointy than most other 200 gn SWC’s you will come across.

I shot many thousands of them up until about 5 years ago when Hi-tek coating became available and I started coating my own.
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Old December 27, 2017, 11:27 PM   #10
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There are a lot of great 200 gr cast LSWC & softer swaged LSWC. To name but a few Zero, Magnus, Penn, Oregon Trail. Swaged bullets are generally considered a tad more accurate and are definitely more consistent in weight. Also generally a tad more pricey. However, unless you & your handgun are shooting 2.5"@50 yds groups some of the higher priced bullets, both hard cast lean and swaged might evb a waste of $$$. Both have their advantages-disadvantages.
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Old January 10, 2018, 03:05 PM   #11
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Thanks!

Thank you for the input, guys!
Apparently there are a lot of people who have used these bullets successfully.
Hopefully I will be one of them, too.
My wife likes to shoot indoors on Ladies' Day at a nearby range. The range people always ask if we are shooting any reloads, and I have to lie, and say no.
Now that I am going to shoot lead instead of plated bullets, I figure I will try coated to minimize the smoke. I ordered some to try.
I will load them starting with 3.8gr of Clays, and work up a good all-around target/range load from there.
I will post some results after I try 3 or 4 loads and choose one to stick with.
Thanks again!
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Old January 10, 2018, 03:51 PM   #12
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Uncle.45 - I cannot comment on the specific bullet mentioned, I can attest to the 200SWC. I have fired a variety of manufacturer's hard cast in that weight and shape and have yet to be disappointed. Just got back from a lunch-shoot. Ahead of 5.6gr. of Unique, I was getting ragged hole 5 shot groups at 10yrds through my '85 Gold Cup. In my particular pistol, no weight comes close to it's consistency/accuracy.
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Old January 10, 2018, 04:08 PM   #13
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Northof50, (I'm sure that describes a lot of us)
It seems to be the consensus for many years that a 200gr LSWC is the best all-around target bullet for most any .45acp pistol.
That is the main reason for making the switch from 185gr RNFPs, and from plated to cast bullets.
I should be able to produce a load that will 'run' in my 1911s, and be an accurate, soft target load in both 1911s and revolvers.
I expect to be pleased with this combination, but if not, I will return to using HP38, and work up a pet load with the 200gr LSWCs.
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Old January 10, 2018, 04:11 PM   #14
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The super-secret coating on those PB bullets contains moly. If you don't like cleaning moly, or your barrel doesn't like moly, they may not be right for you.

Their reference to "6/2 alloy" is likely standard 'hardball': 2% tin, 6% antimony, with a BHN of 16. A bit on the hard side for swaging, but still doable. And since they don't give any other information, all we can do is guess...
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Old January 10, 2018, 04:28 PM   #15
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Right FrankenMauser!
I ordered the smallest box he sells for testing since there are 'unknowns'.
Since I clean thoroughly after each use, I don't foresee any problems with moly coatings. It should clean at least as easy as copper. (I hope)
Worse come to worst, I will just talk the wife into going outdoors on Mondays, and use lubed cast lead instead of coated.
I hate that Nazi range anyway. "No reloads", and "Don't touch the brass".
I usually pick up my brass regardless, but I don't look forward to the day when they catch me.
I will let you know how these work for me after I have a chance to test some.
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Old January 10, 2018, 04:29 PM   #16
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Uncle.45 - Yes. Albeit the name "justsouthof60" is a better fit at this point. I really wanted the 185's to work, as I was using the 185JHP for a defensive round. For defensive shooting, I still like the GoldDot 185, as accuracy standards are far more forgiving. But, my GC simply has no tolerance for the cast 185s.
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Old January 10, 2018, 07:27 PM   #17
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Northof50,
The 185s I was using functioned OK, but were only accurate at/near max loads.
BTW- I will be 60 this year.
I might have to change my username to Ol'uncle.45
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Old January 11, 2018, 11:26 AM   #18
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I have been shooting the coated 200 SWCs from Bayou lately, and I know SNS and Missouri are also great bullets.

I just ordered 500 of the PLATED SWCs from Xtreme. Not sure if I am going to love them or hate them, but I finally decided to try them. We'll see how they work...
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If you're talking about the black Hi-Tek coated bullets, they are excellent. Out of curiosity a few years ago I bought some 230 gr. coated RN for my 1911. I have had very good results and have since loaded up close to a thousand (the box I keep them in has only 8 or 10 bullets left). I use lead bullet data, and lately have gone up with the loads to approx 850 fps and get no residue/fouling.
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Ol'Uncle.45 -

Yep. Not very far behind at all. There was a time [I can still remember] when 35 seemed as old as I could imagine. Now, the word "old" has no meaning. It's been replaced with "slow..."

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Old January 11, 2018, 01:47 PM   #21
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I am glad to hear of good firsthand experience with them.
While I do expect to like them, if I don't, I will order some plated 200gr SWC.
I liked plated bullets, but after reading of so many people on this forum that tout the LSWCs I figure I owe it to myself to try them.

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I am glad to hear of good firsthand experience with them.
While I do expect to like them, if I don't, I will order some plated 200gr SWC.
I liked plated bullets, but after reading of so many people on this forum that tout the LSWCs I figure I owe it to myself to try them.

SlowUncle.45
I tried some plated bullets in my semi-autos, mebbe 1,100, but when I used them all up, I haven't purchased any. My cast lead bullets (200 LSWC, 225 RN for 45 ACP, and 125 LRNFP for 9mm) don't lead and if I want higher velocities, I go with jacketed. My lubed bullets aren't messy to handle and I enjoy casting and I have gotten my PC coating figgered out. Although plated bullets are gaining in popularity, they have no niche in my reloading life...
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Old January 12, 2018, 03:28 PM   #23
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I have used the Precision in 9mm. I was also using TiteGroup and BlueDot. I had some leading issues with the titegroup and my conclusion was it burned a bit too hot for that coating. The BlueDot was smoky but I did not have any leading.

I have tried various plated bullets. Many work OK but I get better results with coated lead and FMJ. I have been using Bayou's Hi-tech coated 9mm and 45's with very good results.
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Old January 13, 2018, 07:56 AM   #24
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So far-- REALLY GOOD!

Dave's service is great. I ordered Tuesday night after hours.
The next morning I got a shipment notice that said my bullets would arrive the following Monday. I was unimpressed, but the next day I was notified by USPS that my box would be delivered on Saturday. Better, right? They were on my step Friday! HAPPY!
The bullets seem well made. They are consistently 200-201gr,
and .4515-.452". Again, HAPPY!
The coating is kinda waxy, but doesn't come off on your hands as you load them. If there is any left in the barrels I think it will clean easily.
I made some dummies to find a good COL, (1.255)and once they were just short enough to feed well in my magazines they hand-cycled through my 1911s very smoothly. Again, HAPPY!
I left my flaring die set the way it was for plated bullets, with very minimal flare. These don't start straight as easily as plated, but I don't get in a hurry loading. I like to take my time, and nit pick. This is an enjoyable hobby, right? Once you take the time to start them straight, these bullets seat with excellent case mouth tension. They feel really good as you seat them. I am sure they will work fine in revolvers, too. I also left the crimp die alone. I didn't see any reason to change from .471".
I made 28 rounds each at 3.8, 4.0, and 4.2gr. That's two moonclips and two magazines of each load.
I should get to try them tomorrow. Hopefully one of those loads will be an obvious winner.
I will let you know the results soon.
So far, HAPPY, HAPPY!
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Old January 13, 2018, 04:11 PM   #25
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Input, please!

Do any of you have some input on the COL, please?
I just realized that Hodgson's load data was based on a COL of 1.225. Fully .030 shorter than my test loads.
There is only .042 of shoulder above the case now.
I would be worried about so little shoulder if I load them to 1.225.
Any feedback would really be appreciated!
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