Expired body armor usefulness

simonrichter · May 28, 2016, 03:06 PM

I have recently received a surplus Second Chance IIIA body armor, with both soft armor panels long expired (on top of having expired 2007, they are also part of the lot that has been made of Zylon, which obviously has failed in some cases...). Is there any remaining protection capacity in these panels? In fact, I do some security jobs at soccer games asf. from time to time. No need for ballistic protection there but actually some minimal stab protection would be fine and given I now possess the vest in any case maybe it is better than nothing?

2damnold4this · May 28, 2016, 04:12 PM

I think it would be fun to use for target practice. How difficult is it to buy new armor in Austria?

NoSecondBest · May 28, 2016, 04:13 PM

Not all bullet proof vests are stab resistant.

Sharkbite · May 28, 2016, 08:34 PM

I have shot in testing vests that were produced in the mid '60s (shot in the mid '90s)...thats 30 YEARS OLD!!!

All of them performed up to their stated rating. No penetrations and backface deformation withing NIJ limits (<44mm)

Now, would i personally trust a vest that old if i had a choice....No

Would i don it, if it was all i had between me and a badguy...yep.

Dont confuse stab resistant with BULLET resistant. Very few vests are rated for both.

simonrichter · May 29, 2016, 02:56 AM

yes, that is the actual question: How much stab protection do ballistic panels provide if any?

Kevin Rohrer · May 29, 2016, 07:03 AM

Depends on the stabbing object. An ice pick will go right through. Something that has a broad point may get stopped.

There are anti-stabbing vests available, but my understanding is that they are not comfortable to wear and are HOT.

The expiration date is entirely subjective and used to sell vests. A vest will be 100% effective for what it is designed to stop as long as it has not been abused.

2damnold4this · May 29, 2016, 08:48 AM

The OP has also mentioned the vest is made of Zylon which doesn't have the reputation of Kevlar. In fact, the NIJ has decertified Zylon for use in armor.

I'd use this vest for testing and buy something better suited for the OP's needs.

Sharkbite · May 29, 2016, 09:11 AM

I didnt catch the construction material.....

Definitely DITCH that vest.

kilimanjaro · May 29, 2016, 11:32 AM

If you don't have a Kevlar vest now, and feel you need one, then wear the vest you were given, despite it's expiration and construction.

Then put the shekels aside for a new replacement as soon as you can.

When you get the new vest, put this one inside the door of your car or behind your driver's seat, maybe at home, something like that, for passive protection.

Vt.birdhunter · May 30, 2016, 08:27 AM

Surplus used kevlar vests available here for reasonable prices:

http://www.bulletproofme.com/

1goodshot · June 2, 2016, 06:57 AM

You need a stab vest

Double Naught Spy · June 2, 2016, 06:47 PM

Agreed. You need a stab vest. About all that a Zylon vest is good for is to keep you warm in the winter.

johnwilliamson062 · June 3, 2016, 07:29 AM

Quote:

A vest will be 100% effective for what it is designed to stop as long as it has not been abused.

Is there general agreement on this subject with regard to kevlar?

Would the zylon vest with some cheap trauma plates work?
OP could then upgrade the vest later when money allowed and stll have the plates.
Hot and heavy and plates aren't much cheaper, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

Vt.birdhunter · June 3, 2016, 07:44 AM

"Abuse" is not just abuse. Simply use causes deterioration when kevlar is exposed to UV light. I believe it makes the material far more brittle over time. I think the expiration date refer to UV damage from "average" exposure.

May 28, 2016, 03:06 PM	#1
simonrichter Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 2011 Location: Austria Posts: 757	Expired body armor usefulness I have recently received a surplus Second Chance IIIA body armor, with both soft armor panels long expired (on top of having expired 2007, they are also part of the lot that has been made of Zylon, which obviously has failed in some cases...). Is there any remaining protection capacity in these panels? In fact, I do some security jobs at soccer games asf. from time to time. No need for ballistic protection there but actually some minimal stab protection would be fine and given I now possess the vest in any case maybe it is better than nothing? __________________ "Get off of my lawn!" Walt Kowalski . ISSC PAR .223

May 29, 2016, 02:56 AM	#5
simonrichter Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 2011 Location: Austria Posts: 757	yes, that is the actual question: How much stab protection do ballistic panels provide if any? __________________ "Get off of my lawn!" Walt Kowalski . ISSC PAR .223

May 29, 2016, 07:03 AM	#6
Kevin Rohrer Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2010 Location: Medina, Ohio Posts: 1,049	Depends on the stabbing object. An ice pick will go right through. Something that has a broad point may get stopped. There are anti-stabbing vests available, but my understanding is that they are not comfortable to wear and are HOT. The expiration date is entirely subjective and used to sell vests. A vest will be 100% effective for what it is designed to stop as long as it has not been abused. __________________ Member: Orange Gunsite Family, NRA--Life, ARTCA, and American Legion. Caveat Emptor: Cavery Grips/AmericanGripz/Prestige Grips/Stealth Grips from Clayton, NC. He is a scammer

May 30, 2016, 08:27 AM	#10
Vt.birdhunter Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 637	Surplus used kevlar vests available here for reasonable prices: http://www.bulletproofme.com/ __________________ Maintaining a constant state of cat-like readiness and a heightened state of suspicious alertness.

June 2, 2016, 06:47 PM	#12
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,717	Agreed. You need a stab vest. About all that a Zylon vest is good for is to keep you warm in the winter. __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange

May 28, 2016, 04:12 PM	#2
2damnold4this Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 2009 Location: Athens, Georgia Posts: 2,526	I think it would be fun to use for target practice. How difficult is it to buy new armor in Austria?

May 28, 2016, 04:13 PM	#3
NoSecondBest Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 2009 Location: Western New York Posts: 2,736	Not all bullet proof vests are stab resistant.

May 28, 2016, 08:34 PM	#4
Sharkbite Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2013 Location: Western slope of Colorado Posts: 3,679	I have shot in testing vests that were produced in the mid '60s (shot in the mid '90s)...thats 30 YEARS OLD!!! All of them performed up to their stated rating. No penetrations and backface deformation withing NIJ limits (<44mm) Now, would i personally trust a vest that old if i had a choice....No Would i don it, if it was all i had between me and a badguy...yep. Dont confuse stab resistant with BULLET resistant. Very few vests are rated for both.

May 29, 2016, 08:48 AM	#7
2damnold4this Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 2009 Location: Athens, Georgia Posts: 2,526	The OP has also mentioned the vest is made of Zylon which doesn't have the reputation of Kevlar. In fact, the NIJ has decertified Zylon for use in armor. I'd use this vest for testing and buy something better suited for the OP's needs.

May 29, 2016, 09:11 AM	#8
Sharkbite Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2013 Location: Western slope of Colorado Posts: 3,679	I didnt catch the construction material..... Definitely DITCH that vest.

May 29, 2016, 11:32 AM	#9
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	If you don't have a Kevlar vest now, and feel you need one, then wear the vest you were given, despite it's expiration and construction. Then put the shekels aside for a new replacement as soon as you can. When you get the new vest, put this one inside the door of your car or behind your driver's seat, maybe at home, something like that, for passive protection.

June 2, 2016, 06:57 AM	#11
1goodshot Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2001 Location: chandler,az Posts: 929	You need a stab vest

June 3, 2016, 07:44 AM	#14
Vt.birdhunter Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 637	"Abuse" is not just abuse. Simply use causes deterioration when kevlar is exposed to UV light. I believe it makes the material far more brittle over time. I think the expiration date refer to UV damage from "average" exposure. __________________ Maintaining a constant state of cat-like readiness and a heightened state of suspicious alertness.