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April 7, 2012, 03:48 PM | #1 |
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ATF Up to Something Fishy in Alaska
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Article 2 First of all...What the heck ATF? Didn't get enough bad press from previous exploits? But seriously, I wonder what is going through the ATF collective mind in trying to get the books from shops in Anchorage. From what's available in the articles little to no reason is being given and it seems outside of the laws as written. I wonder if they're trying too hard to be covert about some investigation, and not realizing that by not being upfront they're just drawing attention to themselves. Too bad WildAlaska isn't around anymore, I'd bet his comments on the situation would both be informative and hilarious. |
April 7, 2012, 04:55 PM | #2 |
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Something sounds fishy indeed however its not just what the ATF is allegedly trying to do.
I don't take much I read on the Examiner too seriously unless I see it confirmed on a more credible news source.
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They've basically given the BATFE a pass on Gunwalker because the pretext aligns with their agenda. They aren't going to go out of their way to report on any misconduct in AK if they don't have to.
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I wonder how much of this has gone one in other locations and been unreported.
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This article is a good example. The author cites no source other than another Examiner article. I'd give things found on that site no more credibility than something I'd see on Jethro's Gun Totin' Commie Bashin' Gun Bl0G. The situation described sounds like SOP if the dealer is going out of business. Otherwise, the ATF can't pull all their books in one fell swoop. If someone at the ATF has their laws mixed up, then a call to the Alaska attorney general might be in order.
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April 8, 2012, 12:25 PM | #6 |
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Ahh, I was not aware of the examiners history. Hopefully it is a bunch of malarky and the ATF is not up to no good.
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Tried googling it up. Everything is linked to the Examiner article or ammoland. There is nothing on the GOA or NRA websites. Last edited by thallub; April 8, 2012 at 02:45 PM. |
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April 8, 2012, 04:49 PM | #8 |
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WA would likely have some or be able to get info on this if it were valid... Too bad he has taken a leave of absence.
I would not be at all surprised if this is not SOP for ATFE. I bet most dealers are just too intimidated to say anything. Look at what lengths the dealers in F&F went to stay on ATFE's good side. To be fair to all those dealers, ATFE and IRS are pretty terrifying. |
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I've spoken to Frank Caiazza, the manager at GNG and this story is absolutely true. 1.5 months ago the ATF requested a copy of their bound book and they respectfully declined. The ATF let it rest there (so far), end of story.
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April 10, 2012, 09:22 AM | #11 |
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So this really IS scary stuff afterall O_o
I wonder how often things like this happens and it just doesn't get reported? |
April 10, 2012, 09:33 AM | #12 |
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@Sturmgewehre, Thanks for the update and legwork. Interesting that it did happen, and as Patriot posed, it does make one wonder how often they do something like this and it goes unnoticed.
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I think it's great that we have the Internet which allows us to disseminate information so quickly. It definately affords an early warning if there is a systematic and coordinated effort to violate the law or violate people's constitutional rights.
I'm not sure that's happening here though, despite the examiner's bombastic language. Quote:
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April 10, 2012, 12:15 PM | #15 |
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Although it is easy to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon, there is a just as likely scenario. ATFE was trying to save a buck/time or just being lazy and needed specific record but did not want to go out to the shop. When you think about how much back and forth ATFE agents might be doing for investigations it doesn't seem all that preposterous that they just wanted to get it mailed to them. Illegal, foolish, but not conspiratorial.
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While I haven't confirmed this, Frank told me they weren't the only gun shop to have the ATF do this. I've not contacted other gun shops looking to verify if this is indeed happening or not. I do doubt though that it's an isolated incident.
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Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they ain't out to get me.
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So what is the ATF up to? Seeing what kind of firearms the great citizens of the USA possess? So that way they know what to ban to disarm America? Only to lead to Martial Law? Probably not, but to be safe I better go buy more ammo.
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April 11, 2012, 10:42 AM | #19 |
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Hopefully a legitimate news organization contacts the BATFE to see what their official response to these incidents is.
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