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John Richardson (No Lawyers ... Only Guns And Money), was the first to report earlier this morning that Congressman Issa has issued subpoenas for the documents.
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This just keeps getting better and better......
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It's long past time for a special prosecutor. Does anyone trust anyone at DOJ to investigate BATFE or itself? I sure don't.
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But who appoints the special prosecutor? DOJ?
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Problem is that the guy who heads this office has, arguably, a conflict of interest. You see, he's from Illinois and is the lead prosecutor against Rod Blagojevich (case pending retrial after a hung jury on most charges in his first trial). It's hard to argue that Fitzgerald, the current office holder is truly independent. So, you see, the waters are extraordinarily murky - legally and politically. |
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Who would be prosecuted, and for what crime?
Maybe that's not a great road, and Congressional investigations will suffice. |
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OK, came across this story this morning. It is a little out there; but if you had told me that the ATF allowing FFLs to sell guns to Mexican drug lords, I'd have probably thought the same thing, so I decided to share it.
Short version is that Anabel Hernandez, a Mexican reporter who has been covering the drug war there for several years and is currently in Italy has charged that Mexican President Felipe Calderon is essentially a figurehead for the Sinaloa Cartel (en espanol) led by Joaquin Guzman. She goes even further and alleges that the Sinaloa Cartel operates with the concurrence of the U.S. DEA and goes on to suggest that the United States may be deliberately turning a blind eye to Sinaloa Cartel operations and even helps target their enemies. Robert Farago does a Google translation of the original article here and goes on to speculate that the charges above may explain why Calderon has not been more aggressive in asking questions about Operation Fast and Furious. As I said, no hard evidence supporting these allegations yet and they seem pretty far out there; but given how crazy the initial Gunwalker charges sounded, I thought it was worth sharing in this thread. |
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Bart,
The Zetas have long claimed they defected from the government b/c they were being used by corrupt government officials owned b other cartels as enforcers against the Gulf cartel. Getting paid a fraction of what the other cartels paid their soldiers and doing the same exact work. IDK about working with the DEA and such, but the idea that who ever is in power in Mexico is actually a figurehead for one cartel or the other(at all levels in government) is nothing surprising to anyone living here. "Plata or plumba" is a question they all get asked and the cartels aren't bluffing. |
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Rep. Issa has now extended his request to the Department of State and has also stated "It will be up to the Attorney General to say whether he knew or not,” Issa said. “Right now, the president’s word about what somebody else knew would not be acceptable."
Source: http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/05/bo...#ixzz1IkmxgUH9 Looks like they are serious about following up on this. The above article also has some speculation from former EPIC (El Paso Intelligence Center) director Phil Jordan saying that Holder almost certainly knew and likely received briefings on Fast and Furious. |
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This is not directly related; but has some obvious implications for Gunrunner. It is an MSNBC story describing how in the past 5 years, 80 U.S. Customs officials have been arrested for corruption and hundreds more are under investigation. It also goes on to detail corruption in law enforcement in many poor counties along the border. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42061290..._news-americas
None of that is particularly shocking I guess; but it makes an interesting bacdrop for the allegations here. |
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Looks like an ATF agent who was in charge of most of the day-to-day details of Project Gunrunner is cooperating with Congressional authorities.
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The real interesting part is Gillett was one of the people who was allegedly obstructing the investigation at first. Looks like Gillett has seen enough criminals that he understands the "first one to roll over gets the best deal" strategy well enough. Considering he got immunity, I'm interested in seeing who he starts pointing fingers at.
Just noticed that Gillet has received death threats according to the article and according to the latest by Sheryl Atkinson is now complaining about being retaliated against himself. Wonder if Issa and Grassley will continue to let ATF hang themselves by denying/equivocating on questions that they already have the answers to? Last edited by Bartholomew Roberts; April 10, 2011 at 03:22 AM. |
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Way back when I lived in CA I knew Issa. He was a pretty straight shooter then. I will note that was when he was first running for office. He might have developed the beltway disorder by now. I think he genuinely upset over this matter.
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To answer the question of "Who?," investigators of some sort will have to start at the bottom and backtrack up the chain of command and figure out: (1) Who knew?; (2) Who authorized?; and (3) Who participated?
Somebody's going to have to take the fall on this one, and it will be interesting to see who does. |
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New report from Sharyl Attkisson at CBS News:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_16...-10391695.html It appears that Senator Grassley just revealed on the Senate floor emails from one of the FFLs involved in the "Fast and Furious" scandal. The emails reveal two major points: 1. The FFL asked ATF for a letter of understanding to insure they would not later be hung out to dry for cooperating with ATF. ATF declined to provide this. 2. ATF Supervisor David Voth set up a meeting between the FFL, ATF and the U.S. Attorney's office where the FFL once again voiced concerns. The AUSA apparently told the FFL that safeguards were in place to prevent further distribution of the guns he was selling at the ATF's behest. The second point is particularly important as AG Holder has stated that the Justice Department has never knowingly sanctioned or allowed the sale of assault weapons to straw purchasers. The fact that an AUSA was involved in this and directly heard these concerns means that AG Holder's claims on this are seriously undermined. And in yet another example of waving a flag in front of the bull, the Department of Justice apparently released limited materials from those requested to Rep. Issa; but when Sen. Grassley's staff sought access to the same materials they were not allowed entry. I don't know what Keystone Kop thought that this was a good approach to take with a U.S. Senator; but I sure hope he keeps doing it. That level of recalcitrance also makes me think that whover is responsible for this is high enough up in DOJ to provide good cover for employees engaged in petty vindictiveness. |
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Sharing materials with the House and not the Senate is every bit as stupid as sending the guns down to Mexico without informing anyone down there that they were coming, and without any apparent plan to track them.
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Sorry for the all-caps, but Univision is making some interesting claims:
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Well, if you haven't heard yet, ATF blew off Rep. Issa's subpoena and declined to provide the requested documents. The 4 documents they did provide (and denied to Sen. Grassley) apparently had nothing to do with Fast and Furious.
Rep. Issa has asserted his authority under law to Acting Director Melson and informed him that the next act would be citations of contempt of Congress if they do not comply with the subpoena. I'm really puzzled at ATF/DoJ's approach here. Either there is a big run on clownshoes at DoJ, or this is really, really, bad and the current horrible behavior is happening because as bad as it is, it is still better than complying. |
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Bart, I think they have to get a truly believable story put together. Something that sounds credible, on the surface, and something that the MSN can run with (despite the CBS reporting, most major media are still ignoring this story), to protect their interests in the administration.
Remember, the Watergate cover-up did not involve the murder of civilians and US agents. This is a concerted effort to stall until the cover story is completed. |
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