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Old November 29, 2019, 08:17 AM   #26
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"Win on election day...Rules of 'war', whoever wins the war makes the rules.."

Well, we won on election day and Victory only feels like we get to stall the destruction of the US just a little bit longer. If we had a party that fought for freedom the way the democrats fight for oppression and mind control I'd say things wouldn't look so bleak for the future. Right now it is one man holding a tidal wave of Hell waiting to be unleashed on us... two if you count Pence.

VA is not the only target. But for now VA is probably Ground Zero... 2020 will be huge.
Don't want to make this a political argument but 'that one man' isn't necessarily a friend of gun rights. His 'rhetoric' speaks volumes and his motivations are different than yours or mine. What he says during TV moments is different than what he says to the leaders in Congress and different during than what he says at one of his rallies.

VA was already 'ground zero', in 2019 and the GOP organization in VA blew it. 2020 will only be 'huge' if VA isn't the example.
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Virginia is not "ground zero." ALL the states are "ground zero," since the anti-gun forces have realized that it's easier to buy votes in state legislatures than it is to achieve their goals in Washington, DC. Several states have already enacted laws similar to those Virginia is now facing, and next year the same (or similar) draconian laws will be presnted in other state legislatures.

IIRC, one of the patriots around the time of the American Revolution said something like, "Together we stand, divided we fall."
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Old November 29, 2019, 09:38 AM   #28
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since the anti-gun forces have realized that it's easier to buy votes in state legislatures than it is to achieve their goals in Washington, DC.
'Buy votes', along with 'illegal voting'....well, the 'people' can only vote for somebody who shares their views if they run...doesn't the GOP have a large 'war chest' too? Or is the VA GOP so altruistic they see throwing money at a candidate(buying votes) is above them?
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Let's keep up the pressure! Also, for any of those who have not contacted their state delegate or senator, especially those from the reasonable areas, contact them! Also, ignore the naysayers.

More updates from VCDL below...show up to as many as these as possible.

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I now have complete information on where the following localities are going to meet to either take public input, or to vote, on Second Amendment Sanctuary resolutions. There are also many new hearings in the list below and a correction. (These are only counties that have hearings scheduled. I have other localities I'll do in another alert that we need to contact, but are not yet scheduled to have a hearing.) Keep this information and mark your calendar. Notice will NOT be resent before each county meeting. Let's pack these meetings!

1. Spotsylvania County to vote on resolution 12/10/19
2. Goochland County to vote on resolution 12/3/19
3. Powhatan County to vote on resolution on 11/25/19
4. Greene County to vote on resolution on 11/26/19
5. Wythe County to vote on resolution on 11/26/19
6. Prince Edward County to vote on resolution on 12/10/19
7. Floyd County to vote on resolution on 12/10/19
8. Louisa County to hear resolution on 12/2/19
9. Prince George County to vote on resolution on 12/10/19
10. Northumberland County to vote on resolution on 12/12/19
11. Page County to hear resolution on 12/3/19
12. Charles City County to vote on resolution on 11/26/19
13. Glouster County to vote on resolution on 12/3/19
14. Washington County to vote on resolution on 11/26/19
15. Westmoreland County to vote on resolution 12/9/19
16. Warren County to vote on resolution 12/10/19
17. Tazwell County to vote on resolution 12/3/19
18. Fauquier County to vote on resolution 12/3/19
19. Gloucester County to vote on resolution 12/3/19
20. Correction on date: Pulaski County to consider 2A Sanctuary resolution on 12/25/19
21. Augusta County to hear resolution 11/26/19
22. Caroline County to discuss resolution on 1/8/2020
23. Frederick County to discuss resolution on 12/11/19
24. Nelson County to hear resolution on 12/10/19
25. Henrico County to hear resolution on 11/26/19
26. Montgomery County to vote on resolution on 12/9/19
27. Russell County to discuss resolution on 12/2/19
28. Mecklenburg County to discuss resolution on 12/9/19
29. Craig County to vote on resolution on 12/5/19
30. Henry County to discuss resolution on 11/26/19
31. King George to vote on resolution on 12/3/19
32. Scott County to vote on resolution on 12/4/19

1. Spotsylvania County to vote on resolution 12/10/19
Date they are voting on resolution: 12-10-2019
Time: 4:30 PM
Location:
Holbert Building
9104 Courthouse Road, Spotsylvania, Virginia

Supervisors
Chairman, Paul Trampe, Salem
(p)-540-850-9073
(e)- [email protected]

Vice Chairman, Gary Skinner, Lee Hill
(p)-540-891-6610
(e)-

David Ross, Courtland
(p)-540-582-9842
(e)[email protected]

Chris Yakabouski, Battlefield
(p)- 540-424-1440
(e)- [email protected]

Kevin Marshall, Berkely
(p)-540-755-6087
(e)[email protected]

Greg Benton, Livingston
(p)-540-854-4168
(e)[email protected]

Tim McLaughlin, Chancellor
(p)-540-850-9092
(e)[email protected]

2. Goochland County to vote on resolution 12/3/19
Board of Supervisors
Regular Meeting
Time: 7:00 p.m.
Board Meeting Room 250
1800 Sandy Hook Road Goochland, VA 23063

District 1
Susan F. Lascolette, Vice-Chair, 2019
(804) 338-3843 (c)
[email protected]

District 2
Manuel Alvarez, Jr.,Chair 2019
(804) 556-0115
[email protected]

District 3
John Lumpkins, Jr.
(804) 517-9511 (c)
[email protected]

District 4
Robert H. Minnick
(804) 784-5220
[email protected]

District 5
Ken Peterson, Chair 2018
(804) 784-2669
[email protected]

3. Powhatan County to vote on resolution on 11/25/19
11/25/19 6:00 p.m.
Village Building Auditorium
3910 Old Buckingham Road
Powhatan, VA 23139

Angela Cabill
[email protected]
804-598-9696

William Melton
[email protected]
804-598-6252

Larry Nordvig
[email protected]
804-556-1048

Carson Tucker
[email protected]
804-598-2213

David Williams
[email protected]
804-598-5187

4. Greene County to vote on resolution on 11/26/19

Board of Supervisor’s Room on the second floor of the Greene County Courthouse
22 Court Street Standardsville, VA. 22973

No carry as meeting is in a courthouse.

Meeting starts at 7:30 pm, but a large crowd is expected; so should show up early! If people would like to contact our BoS members, they can do that using the following information:
Bill Martin, Chair - Stanardsville District
[email protected]
434-996-3726

Michelle Flynn, Vice Chair - Ruckersville District
[email protected]
434-989-4720

Dale R. Herring - At Large
[email protected]
434-985-3535

Marie C. Durrer - Midway District
[email protected]
434-985-7622

David L. Cox - Monroe District
[email protected]
434-960-3653

5. Wythe County to vote on resolution on 11/26/19
Wythe Co. BOS meeting Tues., November 26 at 9AM.

Administration Building
340 So. 6th Street
Wytheville, VA

contact: County Administrator Stephen Bear "sdbear" <[email protected]> 276-223-4500

6. Prince Edward County to vote on resolution on 12/10/19
Date: Tuesday, December 10th
Time: 7pm
Location: Prince Edward County Courthouse
County Board Room
Third Floor
111 South St
Farmville, VA 23901

Carry is NOT allowed in a courthouse.

You can email the entire Board of Supervisors by clicking here.

7. Floyd County to vote on resolution on 12/10/19
Dec 10 8:30 AM

Floyd County Administration Building
120 West Oxford Street
Floyd, Virginia 24091
Phone: (540) 745-9300

Lauren D. Yoder – Chairman
Locust Grove District
[email protected]
(540) 330-3245

Joe D. Turman – Vice Chairman
Burks Fork District
[email protected]
(540) 789-7045

Jerry W. Boothe
Courthouse District
[email protected]
(540) 745-2801

Justin Coleman
Indian Valley District
[email protected]
(540) 763-3825

Linda DeVito Kuchenbuch
Little River District
[email protected]
(540) 230-7255

8. Louisa County to hear resolution on 12/2/19
Louisa County 2A Sanctuary County meeting:

Monday, December 2
Public Meeting begins at 6PM (closed session before that)
Louisa County Administration Building
Public Meeting Room
1 Woolfolk Avenue
Louisa, Virginia 23093

Toni Williams
Jackson District, Chairman
[email protected]
Phone: 540-894-7590

Duane Adams
Mineral District, Vice Chairman
[email protected]
Phone: 540-894-3149

Robert Babyok
Green Springs District
[email protected]
Phone: 301-351-9910

Tommy Barlow
Mountain Road District
[email protected]
Phone: 804-556-4656
Mobile: 804-310-4130
Work: 804-556-4666

Fitzgerald A. Barnes
Patrick Henry District
[email protected]
Phone: 540-967-1967
Mobile: 434-996-8534

Willie L. Gentry, Jr.
Cuckoo District
[email protected]
Phone: 540-894-4751
Mobile: 540-894-6437

Troy Wade
Louisa District
[email protected]
Phone: 434-466-8349

9. Prince George County to vote on resolution on 12/10/19
Date - December 10
Time - 6:00 p.m.
Location - County Administration Bldg.
Boardroom
Third Floor
6602 Courts Drive
Prince George

Carry is allowed.


Chairman: Donald Hunter [email protected]
Cell Phone: (804) 894-0433

Marlene J. Waymack: [email protected]
Cell Phone: (804) 712-9111

T.J. Webb: [email protected]
Phone: (804) 731-0422
Cell Phone: (804) 895-3022

Vice Chairman: Floyd M. Brown [email protected]
Cell phone: (804) 712-8939

Alan R. Carmichael: [email protected]
Phone: (804) 839-2181
10. Northumberland County to vote on resolution on 12/12/19
Northumberland New County Court House
220 Judicial Place
Heathsville, VA 22473

No carry allowed in courthouse

Next meeting December 12, beginning at 5:30 p.m. with Public Hearings starting at 7:00 p.m (unless otherwise noted) . All meetings are held in the New County Courthouse.

BOARD MEMBERS

Ronald L. Jett, Chairman
[email protected]
804-580-0516

Richard F. Haynie, Vice Chairman
[email protected]
804-580-6821

A. Joseph Self, Sr.
[email protected]
804-529-6393

James M. Long
[email protected]
804-580-2477

Thomas H. Tomlin
[email protected]
804-580-7112
11. Page County to hear resolution on 12/3/19

7 p.m.
12/3/19
103 S Court Street
Board Room, 2nd Floor
Luray, VA 22835

12. Charles City County to vote on resolution on 11/26/19
Tuesday the 26th at 7:30 pm.

Government / School Administration Building Auditorium
10900 Courthouse Road
Charles City, VA 23030

13. Glouster County to vote on resolution on 12/3/19

6:30 p.m.
Colonial Courthouse
6504 Main Street
Gloucester, VA 23061


No emails for Board of Supervisors, so you'll have to call them:

Ashley Chriscoe, Chair, 804-693-0471
Phillip N. Bazzani, Vice Chair, 804-642-5631
Christopher “Chris” Hutson, 804-642-9900
Andrew “Andy” James, Jr., 804-693-3477
Robert “JJ” Orth, 804-693-4762
Kevin M. Smith, 804-384-7072
Michael “Mike” Winebarger, 804-815-1449

14. Washington County to vote on resolution on 11/26/19
Will be held on Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 6:30pm at:

1 Government Center Place
Abingdon, VA 24210

15. Westmoreland County to vote on resolution 12/9/19
Westmoreland County VA Board Supervisors upcoming meeting scheduled to discuss a Sanctuary locality

Date Monday December 9, 2019
Time 6:00 p.m.
Location:
George D. English, Sr. Memorial Building
111 Polk Street
Montross, Virginia, 22520.

NOTE: No email for the Board of Supervisors in Westmoreland County! You will have to call them.

The Board consists of :

Darryl E. Fisher, Chairman
Election District #1
1520 Nomini Hall Road
Hague, VA 22469
804-472-3794

W. W. Hynson, Vice Chairman
Election District #4
436 Thompson Circle
Colonial Beach, VA 22443
804-224-9684

Russ Culver
Election District #2
88 Stern Way
Montross, VA 22520
804-859-0001

Dorothy Dickerson Tate
Election District #3
10400 Kings Highway
Montross, VA 22520
804-493-9592

Larry Roberson
Election District #5
215 Cedar Avenue
Colonial Beach, VA 22443
804-224-9453
16. Warren County to vote on resolution 12/10/19
Date: Dec 10, 2019
Time: 9:00 am
Location: Warren County Government Center ,
220 N Commerce Ave
Front Royal, VA 22630

County Board of Supervisors (Name, District, E-mail, Phone):

Daniel Murry (Chairman), North River District, 540-868-1465
Thomas Sayre (Vice-Chairman), Shenandoah District, 540-636-7777
Tony Carter, Happy Creek District, 540-635-8401
Archie Fox, Fork District, 540-636-9948
Linda Glavis, South River District, 540-636-3802

Warren County does not provide e-mail addresses, but they can be contacted via webform under each of the profiles at https://www.warrencountyva.net/board-of-supervisors.

(The Sheriff of Warren County, Mark Butler, wants the County to be a 2A Sanctuary!)

17. Tazwell County to vote on resolution 12/3/19
5:30 pm, 12/3/19

County BOS Meeting Room (first floor, faces Main St - lots of big windows) in the County Administration building.
197 Main St
Tazewell VA

18. Fauquier County to vote on resolution 12/3/19
Warren Green Building, 10 Hotel Street in Warrenton, Virginia
December 12 - 6:30pm

You can email the entire Board of Supervisors by clicking here.

19. Gloucester County to vote on resolution 12/3/19
Gloucester County December 3, 2019. Meeting starts at 6:30 PM

Colonial Courthouse (unless otherwise noted on posted meeting calendar - not available yet )
6504 Main Street
Gloucester, VA 23061

20. Correction on date: Pulaski County to consider 2A Sanctuary resolution on 12/25/19
Pulaski County is going to consider a 2A Sanctuary Resolution on Monday, November 25 at 7 pm at:

Board Room Room
County Administration Building
143 Third Street N.W.
Town of Pulaski, Virginia

Let's pack the room and beyond!

If you live in Pulaski County, contact your Board of Supervisors member and urge them to pass a resolution making Pulaski County a 2nd Amendment Sanctuary.

For Pulaski County residents only. Include your name, address, and indicate your support for Pulaski County becoming a 2nd Amendment Sanctuary as Carroll, Charlotte, Campbell, Appomattox, Patrick, Dinwiddie, Lee, and Pittsylvania Counties have already done. Include this link to VCDL's model Second Amendment Sanctuary resolution: https://www.vcdl.org/resources/Resou...esolution.docx

Howard A. "Andy" McCready, Chairman
Massie District
Email: [email protected]

Dean K. Pratt, Vice Chairman
Draper District
Email: [email protected]

Joseph W. Guthrie
Cloyd District
Email: [email protected]kicounty.org

Ranny E. O'Dell, Sr.
Ingles District
Email: [email protected]

Charles R. Bopp
Robinson District
Email: [email protected]

21. Augusta County to hear resolution 11/26/19
Augusta County will be holding a meeting on Tuesday November 26th at 7:00 pm in the Verona government center to discuss Augusta County becoming a Second Amendment Sanctuary.

18 Government Center Lane
Verona VA

22. Caroline County to discuss resolution on 1/8/2020
The board will meet Tuesday January 8, 2020 at 6pm. The meeting will be at Community Service Center Auditorium; 17202 Richmond Turnpike Milford 22514

23. Frederick County to discuss resolution on 12/11/19
Date: 12/11/2019 7:00 PM - 9:00 PM
Location: Board Meeting Room
107 North Kent Street
Winchester, Virginia 22601


Frederick County VA Board of Supervisors
Charles S. DeHaven, Jr., Chairman At-Large
Phone: (540) 662-7421
Fax: (540) 678-8828
Email: [email protected]

Gary A. Lofton, Back Creek Supervisor
Phone: (540) 869-1972
Email: [email protected]

J. Douglas McCarthy, Gainesboro Supervisor
Phone: (540) 535-8632
Email: [email protected]

Robert W. Wells, Opequon Supervisor
Phone: (540) 869-1168
Email: [email protected]

Blaine P. Dunn, Red Bud Supervisor
540-665-8006
Email: [email protected]

Shannon Trout, Shawnee Supervisor
Email: [email protected]

Judith McCann-Slaughter, Stonewall Supervisor
Phone: (540) 533-2410
Email: [email protected]

24. Nelson County to hear resolution on 12/10/19
It is not yet determined if the resolution will be taken up at the 2 pm meeting or the 7 pm meeting. Check with our Supervisor next week.

84 Courthouse Square
Lovingston, VA 22949

NOTE: Carry is NOT allowed in a courthouse.

Nelson County Board of Supervisors:

LARRY SAUNDERS
[email protected]
434-981-1235

THOMAS D. HARVEY
[email protected]
540-456-6379

JESSE RUTHERFORD
[email protected]
434-981-8728

THOMAS H. BRUGUIERE, JR
[email protected]
434-277-8609

ERNIE REED
[email protected]
434-249-8330

25. Henrico County to hear resolution on 11/26/19
We've heard that the Second Amendment Sanctuary resolution will be brought up at this meeting:

Tuesday November 26 at 7:00 pm

HOWEVER, it is not on the official agenda. Check with your Supervisor to confirm and tell them of your support for the resolution.

West Henrico Government Center
4301 E. Parham Road
Henrico, A 23228

Henrico County Board of Supervisors:
(804)501-4206
http://henrico.us/supervisors

Brookland District:
Dan J. Schmitt
[email protected]

Fairfield District :
Frank Thornton
[email protected]

Three Chopt District:
Thomas M. Branin (Vice Chair)
[email protected]

Tuckahoe District:
Patricia O’Bannon
[email protected]

Varina District:
Tyrone E. Nelson (Chair)
[email protected]

26. Montgomery County to vote on resolution on 12/9/19
Montgomery County 2A Sanctuary BOS meeting is on 12/9/19 at 7:15PM at:

Government building
755 Roanoke St
Christiansburg 24073

District A: Sara Bohn
2360 Woodland Hills Dr.
Blacksburg, VA 24060
Phone: (540) 632-3303
[email protected]

District B: Chris Tuck
539 Wisteria Dr.
Radford, VA 24141
Phone: (540) 633-2354
[email protected]

District C: Steve Fijalkowski
2557 Mt. Pleasant Rd.
Shawsville, VA 24162
Phone: (540) 268-5953, (540) 632-3345
[email protected]

District D: Todd King, Chair
P.O. Box 8
Riner, VA 24149
Phone: (540) 315-2302
[email protected]

District E: Darrell Sheppard
4513 Long Shop Rd.
Blacksburg, VA 24060
Phone: (540) 577-0813
[email protected]

District F: Mary Biggs
701 Hutcheson Dr.
Blacksburg, VA 24060
Home phone: (540) 951-2906
Home fax: (540) 951-2903
[email protected]

District G: April DeMotts, Vice Chair
211 Craig Drive
Blacksburg, VA 24060
Phone: (540) 577-0928
[email protected]

27. Russell County to discuss resolution on 12/2/19
2A Sanctuary resolution will be presented at the Russell County BOS meeting. That regularly scheduled meeting should be held 12/2/19 @ 6:00PM at 137 Highland Drive, Lebanon, VA 24266.

28. Mecklenburg County to discuss resolution on 12/9/19
The Sheriff of Mecklenburg County, R.W."Bobby" Hawkins has stated he will be going before the Board of Supervisors Monday Dec 9th at 19:00, 350 Washington St Boydton,Va. 23917, to ask that Mecklenburg adopt a 2A resolution.

Supervisors:

District #1
The Honorable Andy R. Hargrove
Phone: (434)252-0348 (H)
[email protected]

District #2
The Honorable Glanzy M. Spain, Jr.
Phone: (434)372-3309 (H)
[email protected]

District #3
The Honorable Evans D. Tanner, Jr.
Phone: (434)757-1888 (H)
[email protected]

District #4
The Honorable Claudia H. Lundy
Phone: (434)955-7036 (H)
[email protected]

District #5
The Honorable Glenn E. Barbour
Chairman
Phone: (434)447-8397 (H)
[email protected]

District #6
The Honorable Sterling Wilkinson
Phone434)917-3755(C)
[email protected]

District #7
The Honorable James D. Jennings
Phone: (434)372-3387 (H)
[email protected]

District #8
The Honorable David A. Brankley
Phone: (434)374-2342 (H)
[email protected]

District #9
The Honorable Gregg Gordon
Vice Chairman
Phone434)374-2520 (O)
[email protected]

29. Craig County to vote on resolution on 12/5/19
The Craig County Board of Supervisors are to meet at Court House on Dec 5 at 6pm, and will be voting on a resolution to declare Craig County a Second Amendment Sanctuary County.

The public is encouraged to attend and voice their opinion and support this measure.

Craig County Courthouse
182 Main Street
New Castle, Virginia

Hon. Jesse Spence, Chair, New Castle District, Elected 2013, Office 1/1/18 term ends 12/31/21
email: [email protected]
Hon. Rusty Zimmerman, Craig City District, Elected 2015, Office 1/1/16 term ends 12/31/19
email: [email protected]
Hon. Carl Bailey, Vice Chair, Potts Mountain District, Elected 2015, Office 1/1/16 term ends 12/31/19
email: [email protected]
Hon. Casey McKenzie, Craig Creek District, Elected 2015, Office 1/1/16 term ends 12/31/19
email: [email protected]
Hon. Kathi Toelke, Simmonsville District, Elected 2017, Office 1/1/18 term ends 12/31/21
email: [email protected]
30. Henry County to discuss resolution on 11/26/19
3pm It is on the agenda (then they have closed door session) & 6pm open for public comment. It is recommended people come for both times if possible.

Henry County Administration Building
3300 Kings Mountain Road
Martinsville VA

Board Members
Jim Adams Chairman
Blackberry District
[email protected]
(276) 629-8543

Joe Bryant
Collinsville District
[email protected]
(276) 647-3522 or (276) 252-5210

DEBRA BUCHANAN, VICE-CHAIRPERSON
Horsepasture District
[email protected]
(276) 957-1394

Dr. David Martin
Iriswood District
[email protected]
(276) 224-7154

31. King George to vote on resolution on 12/3/19
December 3 at 7 pm
Revercomb Building
10459 Courthouse Drive, King George, VA 22485

Ruby Brabo (at large)
[email protected]

Richard Granger (James Madison)
[email protected]

Cathy Binder (Shiloh)
[email protected]

Jeffrey Bueche (James Monroe)
[email protected]

John Jenkins Jr. (Dahlgren)
[email protected]

32. Scott County to vote on resolution on 12/4/19
December 4, 2019 at 8:30 AM in the Board of Supervisors Meeting Room at the Scott County Administrative Offices, 190 Beech Street, Suite 201, Gate City, Virginia 24251

At LargeDavid S. Redwine, DVM (Vice-Chairman)
[email protected]
(423) 384-1982 (C)

District 1Darrel Jeter
[email protected]
(276) 386-6671 (H)

District 2Marshall Tipton
[email protected]
(276) 386-4215 (H)
(276) 791-3334 (C)

District 3Jack Compton
[email protected]
(276) 467-2319 (H)

District 4Joe W. Herron
[email protected]
(276) 452-4510 (H)

District 5Danny P. Mann (Chairman)
[email protected]
(276) 467-2176 (H)
(423) 306-2383 (C)

District 6Chad E. Hood
[email protected]
(276) 431-2714 (H)
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Old November 29, 2019, 10:03 AM   #30
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They're going after the 1st Amendment too: Senate Bill No. 64
Quote:
SENATE BILL NO. 64
Offered January 8, 2020
Prefiled November 21, 2019
A BILL to amend and reenact § 18.2-433.2 of the Code of Virginia, relating to paramilitary activities; penalty.
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Patron-- Lucas
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Referred to Committee for Courts of Justice
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Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:
1. That § 18.2-433.2 of the Code of Virginia is amended and reenacted as follows:
§ 18.2-433.2. Paramilitary activity prohibited; penalty.
A person shall be is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:
1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or
2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or
3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.
2. That the provisions of this act may result in a net increase in periods of imprisonment or commitment. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of imprisonment in state adult correctional facilities; therefore, Chapter 854 of the Acts of Assembly of 2019 requires the Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission to assign a minimum fiscal impact of $50,000. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of commitment to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice.
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Those who pursue anti-gun legislation have been organizing for years, and currently are well funded and adept at use of social media to influence voters and achieve goals. In addition to positions in local and county governments or councils, they're also involved in school board elections and PTA-type organizations to influence school curriculum's and messaging.

It's time that gun-rights supporters adopt equally grass-roots level organization and social media presence to fight back against anti-gun state legislation efforts.

The posts above are spot on: it doesn't matter, in the final analysis, if the federal government is prevented from maintaining a federal database of gun owners, if each of the states maintain a state government database of gun owners. If we are forced to register our guns by each state, it won't matter that we aren't registered with the federal government. The State will still have a comprehensive registry of all American gun owners.

It's time to focus on state level legislation, which can more easily create a far more draconian and dystopian future than federal level legislation.

Aguila Blanca said it best above:

Virginia is not ground zero. All the states are ground zero - Virginia is merely the state in the spotlight today. Washington is going the same direction, California of course has already gone there, and other western states inundated by ex-Californians such as Colorado are headed in the same direction.

Organize or lose. These are our choices.
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'Buy votes', along with 'illegal voting'....well, the 'people' can only vote for somebody who shares their views if they run...doesn't the GOP have a large 'war chest' too? Or is the VA GOP so altruistic they see throwing money at a candidate(buying votes) is above them?
I wasn't referring to the Democratic [sic] party, the DNC, or Virginia's D organization. Bloomberg and his spin-off "grass roots" organizations have been spending heavily in carefully selected states to elect anti-gun legislators and to enact anti-gun laws. The strategy seems to have shifted away from Washington, DC, to the "death by a thousand cuts" approach -- they'll chip away at gun rights one or two states at a time until they get what whey want without any help from Washington.
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or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons,
better be closing all those martial arts dojos, too!

You know, once they get the law on the books it can be applied to things other than just firearms. Oh not right away, of course, but eventually...

I did not see any exemption for police training. Probably just not in the cited passage, but if there isn't actually an exemption in the proposed law, I can see a lawsuit (or several) in the making, if they DON'T arrest police trainers along with "regular" citizens...

If they're gonna make it the law, then they should make it the law for EVERYONE! (but of course, they won't...)

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Always has been. Just don't be fooled into thinking that being organized and having influence in the legislature is enough to keep our gun rights. It's not. Look at Washington state as an example. The last couple gun control laws passed were not passed by the Legislature. They had been DEFEATED in the Legislature SEVERAL TIMES. They got passed through Voter Initiative, thanks to a lot of money being spent on ad campaigns targeted in the urban areas of the state, misleading and even lying to the people, and the people's general laziness in voting based only on the title of the law, NOT what was in it. The measures passed in the 5 counties of the I-5 corridor (Seattle metro area) and nowhere else in the state.

HOWEVER, those counties had the population density to make it the law for the entire state.

SO don't think being able to keep anti gun laws from being passed in the Legislature is enough to keep our rights.

Straight "snout counting" democracy is not the best system. Its just usually not the worst system, but it has drawbacks. 3 wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat for dinner is also democracy. But its not real good for the sheep.
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Virginia is not "ground zero." ALL the states are "ground zero," since the anti-gun forces have realized that it's easier to buy votes in state legislatures than it is to achieve their goals in Washington, DC. Several states have already enacted laws similar to those Virginia is now facing, and next year the same (or similar) draconian laws will be presnted in other state legislatures.

IIRC, one of the patriots around the time of the American Revolution said something like, "Together we stand, divided we fall."
Some states are at a much greater risk of falling faster. VA and NC have been compromised greatly over the years and they have bounced back. VA just took a hard butt kicking... I do worry about all states but I thought my point was pretty clear.
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Don't want to make this a political argument but 'that one man' isn't necessarily a friend of gun rights. His 'rhetoric' speaks volumes and his motivations are different than yours or mine. What he says during TV moments is different than what he says to the leaders in Congress and different during than what he says at one of his rallies.

VA was already 'ground zero', in 2019 and the GOP organization in VA blew it. 2020 will only be 'huge' if VA isn't the example.
I hear you, but you have to give this man credit. You can't just point to his weakness all the time. He's got a record now. He may have been a liberal for most of his life and not the most pro gun guy. But with the exception of the bump stock ban, he has held up to immense pressure to Do Something and he just lets things fade away... which is the right thing to do cause no new law would have stopped any of the dozens of shootings since he's been president. I thought for sure he was going to push the 21 year limit like Former Gov Scott, who I now despise for that reason.

It's easy to point out his flaws, but I give him credit for a lot of things. If McCain or Romney were president during the Vegas shooting, I pretty much know what they would have been pressured to do... and they would probably have done it.
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Almost ten years of political propaganda in the palm of the hand. You will soon have young adults coming to voting age that have had the same propaganda machine teaching them the morals of the social media companies.
Gun ownership, among other conservative ideals are considered to be immoral by a majority portion of the voting public. There is no way to be successful in the endeavor of retaining our rights at the current level of resistance. Fortune 500 companies are behind gun control

efforts. Even many leaders, sheriff’s, police chiefs, generals and many more.
Gun rights activists will have exceed the efforts of the other side. We will never organize enough to retain rights in the future.
They want to take guns. They are organized. They are serious. They cross state lines. They march. They buy ads. They have tech platforms that support their goal. Corporations that support the goal. Banks and financial institutions sometimes limit access to commerce.

What do we do? Molon Labe bumper sticker maybe.
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"Always has been. Just don't be fooled into thinking that being organized and having influence in the legislature is enough to keep our gun rights. It's not. Look at Washington state as an example. The last couple gun control laws passed were not passed by the Legislature. They had been DEFEATED in the Legislature SEVERAL TIMES. They got passed through Voter Initiative, thanks to a lot of money being spent on ad campaigns targeted in the urban areas of the state, misleading and even lying to the people, and the people's general laziness in voting based only on the title of the law, NOT what was in it. The measures passed in the 5 counties of the I-5 corridor (Seattle metro area) and nowhere else in the state.

HOWEVER, those counties had the population density to make it the law for the entire state.

SO don't think being able to keep anti gun laws from being passed in the Legislature is enough to keep our rights."
I live in Washington. I watched it happen. You would not believe how many 5-color slick over-sized cards I got in the mail extolling the virtues of additional gun safety laws. Nearly all of it was paid for by money coming from outside the state. Bloomberg for certain, but others as well. It was an extremely well-financed campaign, and, I am certain, was also directed by agencies and individuals outside the state as well.

You are correct. Having encountered challenges from SCOTUS on down at the federal level, the new agenda is to bypass the federal (Constitutional) Bill of Rights and outlaw rights at the State level, where there are no over-arching prohibitions against, for example, requiring that every gun sold in the state be registered on a Statewide database at the time of sale. Want a gun? It's registered in your name at the time of sale on a State database. This is only one part of a more comprehensive anti-gun foundation, but it sets the stage for much worse abuses in the future.

It's what all states have to look forward to, so long as outside money is welcomed into a state to influence state elections. The Bloombergs of the world can indeed purchase the outcomes of elections, with enough money spread in the right places. "Democracy" is a more fragile construct than many believe.
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Who was it who said, " 'Democracy' is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner"?
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No doubt but where is/are the GOP version(s) of Bloomberg?
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Regrettably, I'm unaware of any pro-gun billionaires.


I'm not even sure that aside from manufacturers associations there are *any* deep pockets individual contributors in the United States.

That's why, even though I'm disappointed and feel betrayed by the NRA and the antics of WLP at it's helm, I conclude that (at least currently) the only vestige of an active organization that can focus the small donations of millions of members to successfully sway votes at the federal and state level in US politics remains the NRA.

If anyone else see's any pro-gun billionaires out there ready to fund about a decade or two of resistance to anti-gun conspiracy, please point them out.
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No doubt but where is/are the GOP version(s) of Bloomberg?
As they say in Spanish, "No hay" [pronounced "no aye"] == There isn't one.
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Just read this today:

https://www.virginiamercury.com/blog...nctuary-trend/

A Democratic state delegate has asked Attorney General Mark Herring (D) for a formal opinion on the Second Amendment sanctuary declarations being passed in a growing number of conservative counties across the state.

In a letter sent to the attorney general Monday, Del. Jay Jones, D-Norfolk, said a legal opinion could help clear up confusion on an issue that has “become a flashpoint across our state.” Clarification from the attorney general’s office said, Jones said, would benefit the local officials being “bombarded” with citizen requests to pass resolutions declaring their opposition to, and possible defiance of, new gun-control laws Democratic majorities are expected to pass early next year.

“The bills passed by the General Assembly and signed into law by the governor are binding for our entire Commonwealth and its citizens,” Jones wrote. “The legal precedent we would set by allowing communities to selectively ignore those laws at will is alarming and indicative of the same mindset that nearly one hundred and fifty years ago led this country to dissolve into a civil war.”

The article continues...
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20 possible in Virginia out of 95 counties. How many of those counties resided in districts where NO GOP candidate ran in the last VA election?
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20 possible in Virginia out of 95 counties. How many of those counties resided in districts where NO GOP candidate ran in the last VA election?
I would guess none. The districts where the GOP didn't run a candidate are all in solid blue areas where they have no chance and it makes no sense to spend resources. Do you really think it makes sense to run a GOP candidate in a district that went 80% for Hillary? It's hard enough to defend GOP seats in purple districts where voters in the center are targeted by the Dems with millions of dollars in outside money because orange man bad. If you hate Trump more than you like your gun rights then vote Democrat and give up your guns when the inevitable ban is enacted.
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Wasn't talking national but again, the fact that many STATE legislature seats went uncontested by the GOP...then all this about 'what do we do now?', Seems, once again, too little, too late.
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Not wishing to start a political drift but trump isn't the friend of gun rights people. His rhetoric shows that depending on his audience and whether or not the TV cameras are on, he 'may' say anything, AND HAS...UBC, 21 year old age limit, RFL, but 2 things have come to pass..The bump stock ban and the new DOJ program targeting people(gun people) who have gone online about a rifle scope. AND DOJ asking for personal info about them. Not exactly 'gun friendly'..IMHO.

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The request from Google and Apple for the information includes everyone who has downloaded the app to run/set up/remote view these scopes. They are reporting that this is in excess of 10,000 users, so may include some TFL members.
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With more guns than TVs in the US and nobody at the FED level knowing who has what..the US government has not the assets, the $, the time, the 'record 'plumbing' to 'take guns'..Even NZ, without a second amendment type thing, only saw a small percentage of AR types were 'turned in'..
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Not wishing to start a political drift but trump isn't the friend of gun rights people. His rhetoric shows that depending on his audience and whether or not the TV cameras are on, he 'may' say anything, AND HAS...UBC, 21 year old age limit, RFL, but 2 things have come to pass..The bump stock ban and the new DOJ program targeting people(gun people) who have gone online about a rifle scope. AND DOJ asking for personal info about them. Not exactly 'gun friendly'..IMHO.
  • I thought red flag laws (RFLs) were a state problem, not a federal problem. Is Trump pushing for a national/federal red flag law?
  • The DOJ inquiry into users of the scope app is not about gun control, it's basically a mix of national security and export of technology issue. Those scopes and that app are not supposed to be sold outside of the U.S., but apparently some have made it beyond our borders in violation of the laws. If you are a lawful owner of the scope and a person who has downloaded the app it's unfortunate that the feds may find out you have it, but I don't see this as a gun control ploy and I don't expect the feds to come after U.S. owners to confiscate their scopes.
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The DOJ inquiry into users of the scope app is not about gun control, it's basically a mix of national security and export of technology issue. Those scopes and that app are not supposed to be sold outside of the U.S., but apparently some have made it beyond our borders in violation of the laws. If you are a lawful owner of the scope and a person who has downloaded the app it's unfortunate that the feds may find out you have it, but I don't see this as a gun control ploy and I don't expect the feds to come after U.S. owners to confiscate their scopes.
4 months ago.

As for number 2..the majority of those 'targeted' are gun owners, correct? And this driven by barr/DOJ. I doubt trump even knows about it but it is HIS DOJ...
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As for number 2..the majority of those 'targeted' are gun owners, correct? And this driven by barr/DOJ. I doubt trump even knows about it but it is HIS DOJ...
It's a firearms accessory, so it stands to reason that the vast majority of buyers are gun owners.

What's your point? This is still not about gun control, it's about getting a handle on how many of these scopes have been illegally exported, and where they have gone.
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Now at 43 Second Amendment Sanctuary counties, towns, and cities. Need to keep up the pressure and contact your county supervisors. Also, contact your state delegate and senator and let them know that VA will not be controlled by out of touch trans plants and out of state money.
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