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Old October 21, 2020, 06:15 PM   #1
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357 mag ammo in a sp101

Looking for the best loaded ammo I can buy .
For woods carry in my revolvers.
I don't reload .
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Old October 21, 2020, 06:35 PM   #2
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Buffalobore Outdoorsman 180 grain Keith style hardcast .357 magnum. Probably the hottest Commericial loading you will find.
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out of my Kimber K6, the 2" model. 1280 average for around 650 ME ft. lbs with the 180 grain HC.
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Old October 21, 2020, 11:48 PM   #3
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Don't know how you might define "best", but the Buffalo Bore 180 HVR mentions is the most powerful factory or handloaded ammo I can recall ever using in a .357 revolver. It actually does the advertised 1400 FPS in my 4" revolvers, and in a 5.5"Ruger Bisley 1514 FPS, believe it or not. So if your "best" is defined as some combination of velocity, momentum, and likely serious penetration, the BB HC/G.C. 180 might be worthy of consideration...
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Old October 22, 2020, 04:54 AM   #4
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Underwood ammunition is also pretty stout.

I’d check the ammunition specs first since they usually recommend a large frame revolver such as a Redhawk or Ruger Super Redhawk. Buffalo bore is what I use in a Ruger Alaskan 454 Casull, Ruger Toklat 6 Shot 454 Casull, or Ruger Super Redhawk 454 Casull.


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Old October 22, 2020, 07:33 AM   #5
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Thanks I will look into it a little further
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Old October 22, 2020, 07:57 AM   #6
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What barrel length? Adjustable sights? What’s in those woods....grizzled, black bear, moose...anything dangerous? Everyone gave you the biggest, baddest ammo they could think of but never asked you what you might use it for. I carry a 101 myself but I load for the potential needs.
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Old October 22, 2020, 08:28 AM   #7
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Fixed sights 2 .25 ,4.4 with adj.
if I Shoot something I want it to go down
I have been shooting revolvers ,contenders , xp 100 for years
Now I want to walk with confidence .
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Old October 22, 2020, 12:13 PM   #8
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That’s more a case of putting the bullet on target with the .357mag. Find out what you and your gun can shoot the best.
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Old October 22, 2020, 03:42 PM   #9
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And I'll disagree.

Hard cast is brittle. Have you ever heard of deforming copper jacketed FMJ? Harder than hard cast if all copper too. Hard cast can shatter. FMJ would deform.

So if you are going hard cast route, I suggest saving dough and just getting hot FMJ. Fiocchi, etc.

XTP is the hunting hollow point in 357 as it is designed to have limited expansion. I think that makes XTP the best for personal defense if you are worried about animals. Recall, 380, 9mm, 40, 45 FMJ can all fall within 30" or so in gel with variation between calibers by loading.


Best? I think a hot XTP....or...Gold Dot.

SP101 is small. Shooting a super hot Buffalo Bore might not be gaining you a single thing compared to any other abilities of FMJ.

But I hike in Alaska and weekly in Utah. Never needed a gun. What do I know
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Old October 22, 2020, 04:55 PM   #10
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I Have 3 boxes of Fiocchi FMJ 158 GR
That I HAVE ON HAND
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Old October 22, 2020, 08:03 PM   #11
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Maybe good enough for cougar or turkeys, but not a big black bear!...unless you are a lottery winner that day!

Best to chrono the stuff and really see what energy it has. It won't be anywheres close to the BB loads!
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Old October 22, 2020, 11:20 PM   #12
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Only if done improperly.

"hard" cast is actually a range of hardness, if you find one that is brittle, don't use it. I've been shooting "hard" cast bullets since the 70s, have seen some deform more than others, some not at all. Never ONCE saw one shatter.
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Old October 23, 2020, 09:25 AM   #13
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We could endlessly discuss hard cast hardness--without have a clue if it's even right per manufacturer.

The truth is FMJ with a copper jacket are going to do the same thing as hard cast. Hornady even makes a "thick" copper jacketed FMJ for this reason.

FMJ vaporizes on steel backstops, but it's not doing that in an animal even on bone from a handgun round.

An all copper round is going to perform better (ie do nothing) than a hard cast round. 380 Lehigh penetrator even can defeat ballistic glass without deforming.

But again, the FMJ isn't doing anything else either.

I won't argue it endlessly, but hard cast is marketed as the "outdoor" round...but it's marketing given FMJ and new all copper Defender/Penetrator bullets. More marketing is that they have a flat meplat which isn't doing anything in a handgun round.

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Old October 23, 2020, 01:11 PM   #14
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"...a big black bear..." Yogi isn't armoured. Even a big blackie will drop if hit in the right place. However, an FMJ is not suitable for any game, Even those with 2 legs. FMJ's do not expand.
And, depending on the barrel length, you will lose velocity.
Rummage around here. http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/index.html
"...best loaded ammo I can buy..." You must try a box of as many brands and bullet weights as you can to find the ammo your revolver shoots best. The price means nothing.
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Old October 23, 2020, 01:55 PM   #15
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But the argument for hard cast is it stays intact, no?

By that logic, I think, well....isn't that why FMJ isn't labeled good for hunting? So how is hard cast good for outdoors but FMJ is bad for outdoors. Makes no sense...to me.

I did say XTP is probably best if you thing your shooting an animal in defense from an SP101. XTP is all about limited expansion and therefore doesn't get the preferred massive expansion of HST/Gold Dot for personal defense rounds while XTP will travel a bit more.

Maybe an Semi Jacketed like American Eagle, but...I don't know I find SJHP all that compelling either as it's a bit of the worst of both words non of the benefits from either.

I'd call an adequately warm XTP round. Note, super rod FPS XTP can under penetrate as XTP can only open so much no matter how fast it goes. It's not just about FPS. When a round opens, how large it can open, if it will break up at a certain level of speed, when it breaks up...all different per round.

Meh.

The Remington 125gr SJHP is known to be a thumper/the bane of throat erosion in the past. A thought too.

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Old October 23, 2020, 04:37 PM   #16
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Yes, let's argue about what is the most powerful 357 ammo available. I don't think the most powerful 357 ammo is something I would want to be shooting out of my little Ruger SP101.
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Old October 23, 2020, 06:21 PM   #17
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The Buffalo Bore 180gr hardcast bullet is made by Rim Rock Bullets. There is no issue with shattering or fragmentation.
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Old October 23, 2020, 11:21 PM   #18
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My experience from hiking the WA Cascades north of Seattle / Everett area, I have carried a 4" Ruger SS6, with both Hornady 140gr XTP, in chamber and speed-loaders {2X}.
Also, contact the Sierra ballisticians and was recommended to buy the Federal 180gr Hot-Cast rounds, If I wanted a good hunting round. Sometimes I would carry a COLT GM, and if I hand-loaded use the heaviest FMJ at the best velocity I could handle for a carry load.
I asked about the Hornady 230 gr FMJ-FP and was encourage to use those.

Never did have any problems, but other I meet indicate that they had spotted cougars pacing them. Just keep ayes andears open to avoid animal [four-footed] situation.
two-legged were always a concern.
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I once bought a box of Buffalo Bore 357. Shot two rounds in a SW M60. Opened the cylinder and unloaded the remaining 3 rounds. Nobody can ever convince me BB isn’t over charged - I’ve never experienced as much flash and recoil from a 357 round. Gave away the remaining 18 rounds. BB gets my vote for the most powerful 357.
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Old October 24, 2020, 09:24 AM   #20
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Sure, sure.

But "best load I can buy" is the question.

The answer is a Lehigh 140gr Penetrator all copper for depth, a Barnes XPD/XPB all copper for expansion, or XTP for all around.

I think Federal Vital-Shol with a Barnes all copper gave the biggest expansion and penetration in Luckygunner.

I forgot Gold Dot needs 4" to really work.
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. Shot two rounds in a SW M60. Opened the cylinder and unloaded the remaining 3 rounds. Nobody can ever convince me BB isn’t over charged -
Are the two fired cases still in the cylinder???

If not, how did they come out? Normally? with finger pressure on the extractor rod? Or were they slightly stuck? (meaning it took more than usual pressure on the rod?) or were they STUCK?? meaning you needed a rod and a hammer to push them out???

If the fired cases extract normally, they aren't overcharged. Period. Can be, (and for you apparently is) more than you want to shoot out of a snubnose belly gun, and that's fine. But they aren't overcharged

The OP asked about the "best" ammo he can buy. All the responses jumped to the heaviest bullet at the highest speed (and arguments about if it was what its claimed to be...)

BUT, is that the BEST ammo for him???

He's not hunting (said woods carry, that's not hunting that's defensive use)
There are only two things in the woods that are dangerous enough to need shooting, animals, and people.

SO, since only hits count and only hits in the right place MATTER, is the most powerful ammo available necessarily the "best"???

He's already handicapped in the power range by using a short barrel gun. Stuffing it with the fastest heaviest bullet load, generating the most recoil possible, because the energy /penetration numbers are the most impressive MIGHT NOT BE the very best idea.

Go and get some of that Buffalo Bore stuff. SHOOT IT! Sure, its spendy but its only money and you get more of that every payday. Shoot some of the "recommended" BB heavy ammo. See what YOU can do with it. Might not be the right stuff for you.

A full power round, lighter than the BB 180s, that YOU can shoot accurately, more than once in a short time, is better for defense than a load with better numbers on paper that you can't use as well.
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Old October 24, 2020, 03:02 PM   #22
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Double Tap makes a pretty stout 125 grain load with a Gold Dot bullet.
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Old October 25, 2020, 10:04 AM   #23
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OP, I'm In Buddy I love SP101's (and Contenders). I carried a Snug-nose Speed Six for 10+ years loaded with 125 gr HP's. My opinion is, BULLET PLACEMENT since we're both Contender guys, Make The First SHOT COUNT. I've seen too many people killed with a .22 LR to argue about 38/357 rounds (and for the record, IMO one of the worst calibers ever used for Self-Defense... a .25 ACP. A jealous husband killed a friend of mine with 5 rounds from a 25 Auto in a Gas Station back in the '80's.)
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Old October 25, 2020, 09:45 PM   #24
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I've never had a hard cast bullet shatter and I've shot through a lot of wood in my testing. FMJ bullets actually contain soft lead that can squish out if it yaws. Often the bottom of the bullets are open.
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Old October 25, 2020, 10:43 PM   #25
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Try testing bullet expansion is clean wet sand.
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