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July 13, 2017, 01:26 PM | #27 |
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Hiking stick is probably the best idea.
But if you wanted to carry, the NAA mini revolvers work well even after getting soaked, but choose one in .22 Mag since the ammo is much better than .22lr and will not fail after getting wet. There are even reports of a loaded mini going through the wash and the ammo was still good. I like the Pug or Black Widow better than the standard Mini. |
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Seeing how I did post a legitimate answer previously (advising against going to a place where its close to impossible to be armed), and comparing it to your answer of "i'd kill the dog with my bare hands by putting my hand down its throat and choking it", I'd say that a little levity has been earned here.
Cmon, if you've seen the movie, you'd get the joke. Aint gotta take ourselves so seriously do we?
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Are you saying if you had a firearm you would have shot a 40lb dog on a public beach in front of your and in the middle of other families?
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Sorry I meant to add that I would second the concept of a walking stick or such. It will deal with a dog, while at the same time not opening you up to felony charges and potentially being shot for being a terrorist (not being snarky, they had a beach shooting in Texas a few years ago that started a major panic and that was before 9/11).
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July 13, 2017, 03:10 PM | #32 |
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Its not snarky and I get the point.
A bit off point but something that has always stuck with me: Several years ago I got a call from my house that one of the neighbors dogs (from a 1/4 mile away) was standing and growling on my front porch. Now there was a general suspicion that said neighbor fought dogs (not just my suspicion but enough that the township was actually changing zoning rules because of this particular issue). I was not home so I called animal control. Animal control's first question: "You own a gun right?" and that was their proposed solution. I was told by several people with reasonable level of authorities that in the case of those dogs my property line was the point I should start shooting because at that point one of those dogs did present a direct threat to my well being. So it has always kind of colored my view on the general consensus in the area. The dog on the beach was not of a size that shooting it would have been a reasonable solution. |
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As a CHler the only time I have drawn has been due to dogs (multiple pit bulls at once, and put off a threat by a rottweiler from an owner who thought it was funny to tease his Rott would get off and attack my daughter's wiener dog), just noting for full disclosure (well and that time someone said TexMex wasn't any good-clearly a Nazi spy!). Note because of the above I now carry serious stream mace for doggies when walking ours.
Three concerns which are helped by the stick: 1. Leaving a firearm unattended in an area with both children and thieves-think what could happen there. A stick, well thats just a stick. 2. Shooting a small dog in a public space that wasn't attacking. Thats going to have repercussions. A big threat dog, well less so but its not going to be good. As they say in real estate-location, location, location. A stick will be effective without the repurcussions. 3. Opening up on a public beach, absent being actively attacked that feels like all kinds of bad. Again a stick serves the purpose, and avoids the fight with the owner. I'd think stick over pepper spray - in addition to shifting winds on a beach- to the same issue as leaving a firearm. Too easy for a kid to get a hold of and spray themselves or another child. Stick less likely. I'll quit ranting now. Again none of this is meant as an attack or criticism-I have been in your shoes. |
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I think the stick idea is grand considering I have some staff training (though wow that's been awhile, might have to go back and consider a refresher) and more than one good hiking stick.
For the record though many of you have a different view of the amount of people on a public beach than what happens around here on a public night. Your point still stands just not to the degree you may think it does. |
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I agree that a stick might be a better choice. I probably would carry my LCP in a pocket and stay out of water high enough to get it wet unless absolutely necessary. I can live from now on without swimming at the beach.
I would not be reluctant to shoot a dog coming after a child either. I understand that it could be a legal nightmare and would make every effort to physically stop the animal, but if a child is in imminent danger I will use whatever force necessary to stop the threat. I doubt anyone here would question the use of deadly force to stop a life-threatening attack by a two legged preditor on the beach or anywhere else. While I am a dog owner and care more for mine than I do most people, an unrestrained, undisciplined dog in public is a menace and should be dealt with accordingly. And for the record, how dangerous a dog is is not entirely related to its size. A 40 pound dog can be a serious threat to a child or most anyone else... internet ninjas notwithstanding.
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The odds are good that if any one of us ever has to use a firearm for self-defense it will be in public. I clearly understand my responsibility and liability in any such situation. Yes, using a firearm is using deadly force and so is using a walking stick. Using the force necessary to stop the attack is what we are trained to do. I don't understand why there is a distinction being drawn between two and four legged attackers. A knife wielding thug or an attacking dog represent much the same threat of serious injury or death. I carry a gun to protect myself and those in my charge. I really don't care if that threat is from someone's puppy or a terrorist, my response is to stop the attack.
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Maybe you can carry a canny pack or insist that your wife carry a beach bag, and maintain control over that storage space at every second.
Beach concealed carry is an oxymoron. Either go to the beach equipped for the beach or go there equipped to fight. Wearing a nice Speedo, as I used to, doesn't even allow a tactical knife. Possibly the knife is your best and only sensible option.
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Sword cane? I haven't been to a beach since 1987, so I don't know what people wear there any more.
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Sword canes are legal in most places; a stout cane or walking tick will handle a dog. Not EVERY scenario calls for a gun and 3 reloads..............
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People who carry gun, pepper spray, baton, taser, knife are often mocked here. Even though such a load out would give you a continuum of force similar to police. |
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""As for the dog, I think you can get exceptions for comfort animals.. I believe those are usually written by therapists."" copied from #14
I hope you notified whoever it is that controls the beach of this situation. Insist on the leash if they want to insist on the dog. |
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The heavy walking stick could be a good idea. I know you don't prefer a knife and a large fixed blade may violate state law, but a smaller folding knife has to be legal. I mean, if they are legal here in MD (if you are carrying it as a tool, not a weapon), then they have to be legal pretty much everywhere. So, I'd consider a small (2-3") folding knife for situations where the stick isn't enough. Also, I know you don't prefer pepper spray. Several people expressed concern that the stream isn't usually contained to just your attacker (especially on a potentially windy beach). Have you thought about the heavy gel pepper sprays? They do a pretty good job of keeping the stream from effecting multiple people.
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Don't use pepper spray use the foam if that is not available then Raid wasp and hornet foam, gives up to 25' range. a muzzle shot works great.
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Fun project idea: get some type of sun hat with a bit of space between the top of your head and the inside top of the hat. Sew some type of pocket holster with retention strap to the inside. Keltec p3at or ruger lcp is just a tip of the hat away, and will be above water at all times if you can swim good.
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@siggy, Ok off topic but given the hat suggestion This came to mind.
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"Sword canes are legal in most places"
In what country? In the U.S. they are considered concealed weapons in most states, and the regulations which would permit you to legally carry one are even more obscure that concealed carry firearms. |
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When fishing at the beach I carry a small "air-horn" on my belt. This is a palm-sized can of compressed air with a horn outlet. Available in the boating section of most shops carrying boating gear (even Wally World) for under $10. On several occasions I have used it to scare/back-off dogs that were running around free and toward me, their owners not in complete control. The very loud honking backs them off very well and keeps them out of my fishing gear. The air-horn is also a good signaling device when out of sight of others or unable to yell for help. At the beach (as in your situation) there may be other people somewhat near but they won't know you need assistance. Even if they just come over to see what is going on with the dog.
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