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September 15, 2017, 09:53 PM | #51 | |
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Training with flashlights, WMLs, etc.
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You sure that is your point, because you seem to be gunning against weapon lights pretty hard. If so, I'll agree on that... stated what I normally carry on me previously. Your other two arguments really don't defend one verses the other. If you engage a threat with either a flashlight or a weapon light, you aren't going to notice the guy off in the darkness (if he is in such a position that spill doesn't aluminate them). If you are drawn on someone or just shot them, they are going to be the center of your attention. Just because you have a flashlight instead of a weapon light, your aren't going to be searching for someone else as your gun is on a perceived threat or as you are firing. If you do think you are going to get into a position like that... situational awareness. I'm having the feeling we are talking about civilian concealed carry more than L/E use, so that characteristic is something I'd stress on. If you are in a room/area that doesn't work well with your light, also at a hinderance (includes all lights). You can have too bright (rather have it, mainly for the disorientation), but can also have limited throw. My P3X works great with vehicles that have tinted windows, but 1,000 Lumens can also be a pain in a hallway/small room (why I like the standard models, with the second 15 Lumen mode). My TLR-3 only has 125 Lumens, but the spill makes it worth it for most of the conceivable scenarios that I'd pull my Glock 30S out... and if it isn't fit, a Surefire is right there. But the TLR-3 isn't a huge weapon light or makes carrying my 30S extremely difficult (really, was just an additional holster). There is always pros/cons for every choice of gear... just need to make the best choice for your situation/need. A weapon light is just more capability. It isn't going to be the reason you were killed in a defensive situation, because you had the light on your pistol. Someone can give their position away just as easy, if not easier, with a regular flashlight by waving it back and forth. It is something to work on, whether you are watching someone use a flashlight at night to see how big a neon sign they can make themselves out to be, or practicing it inside your house. I consider a weapon light similar to a reload. If you don't use it, it isn't a big deal. You did what you needed to do with what was in the gun. But if you do need it and don't have it, you kind of are up that proverbial creek without a paddle. Not suggesting to just carry a weapon light, but if you can put it into your carry setup, and are willing to do a little training with it... it is a very good addition for that situation everyone hopes never happens. |
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September 16, 2017, 05:54 AM | #52 | |
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I am having trouble understanding why you fail to see what WMLs bring to the table in terms of leveling the odds. A WML is only a piece of gear. Like any piece of gear, it should be used only when actually needed and not used when not needed. This is not rocket science. Its risk management. Used sparingly and judiciously, in my experience a WML is useful in sidelining Mr. Murphy.
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September 16, 2017, 08:12 AM | #53 | |
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My words here or only meant to highlight the fact that when used broadly.. a WLM can have some drawbacks. They can have some drawbacks that would not otherwise be very likely with a handheld light. I think WMLs have their place and I think they are perfect in some narrow uses and especially on rifles/shotguns.
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October 1, 2017, 08:59 AM | #54 |
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I believe those who are firmly ensconced in the a "WML will get you killed" haven't actually been in mortal danger inside a structure that has no lighting even during daylight hours.
Those skeptics really should take twenty minutes out of their lives and watch this video, which is one of the best explanations and demonstrations that I have found to date. "More brighter is more better".
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Great video.
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