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May 30, 2018, 08:31 PM | #1 |
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Good expander die for 45 Colt lead bullets
I have a Lee 4 die set for 45 Colt and like it except for the expander die. The cases frequently stick, and I'm having trouble adjusting it to "just the right flare". What expander die would you consider an improvement over the Lee for loading .452 lead or powder coated bullets?
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May 30, 2018, 08:40 PM | #2 |
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Try the RCBS "cowboy" expander. I recommend the whole die set actually. I had a few other brands and finally found these cowboy dies are 100%.
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May 30, 2018, 10:46 PM | #3 |
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Are your cases mixed head stamp? Could account for your mixed results.
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May 30, 2018, 11:43 PM | #4 |
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There is no better die than the Lyman M-Die, for cast bullets, anyway.
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May 31, 2018, 03:50 AM | #5 |
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Agreed, the M die is the gold standard for loading cast or jacketed IMO.
Redding expanders also have the M die profile. |
May 31, 2018, 05:48 AM | #6 |
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Lyman currently lists a 4 die set for the 45 Automatic but not the 45 Colt so I'm a little confused about what you might be using. Lyman's current 3 die set for the Colt 45 should include the M type expanding die, which should work very well with cast bullet loads. I have had some issues with cases sticking in floating powder-thru type expanders, but not in non-floating expanding dies.
IME the case overall length is a big contributor to variations in case expanding/belling. A variation of much over 5 or 6 thousandths in case length can result in a major variation in the amount of case belling that results. Edit: I misread the OP and was thinking he was using Lyman dies (instead of Lee dies). As has been stated, the Lyman M style expander will work well, and will not stick like the Lee powder thru expander. Last edited by BBarn; May 31, 2018 at 10:36 AM. |
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Ditch the Lees. I have both the Lyman Type M expander and the RCBS Cowboy expander. While the Lyman is good, they make it too small for good use with lead bullets in the .45 Colt. The larger RCBS Cowboy expander is bigger and works better. Lately I have been having custom expanders made for me that are clones of the Lyman Type M, only in larger diameters that work well with cast bullets. These expanders will fit in both Lyman and RCBS expander dies.
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May 31, 2018, 12:15 PM | #8 |
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Cases would only stick if new brass or if the sizer is too small. Lees are generally best for jacketed (standard) diameters.
I find that if flaring isn't suitable, sometimes the bullets I buy are actually oversized and work perfectly if I resize them. For example, I recently had problems with 45 ACP not "plunking" and, after trying every adjustment I could think of, found what was bought as .452 was actually .453. They were coated, so I didn't need lube to resize, after which the problem went away.
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May 31, 2018, 06:27 PM | #9 |
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Lots or votes for the Lyman M and the RCBS Cowboy. I'm shooting this just for fun, with possibly some actual Cowboy Action in the distant future, but I plan to use cast lead (probably Hi-Tek coated, .452 dia.
I might return the whole Lee set, since the sizing die seems to re-size the case way more than necessary, leaving a noticeable bulge around the bullet after seating. But I heard that the stem in the seating die of the RCBS Cowboy set isn't the best for RNFP |
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My RCBS Cowboy carbide set includes a seating stem that has a flat face, well suited to flat point bullets. I don't think I special ordered that but know that RCBS has more than one kind.
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May 31, 2018, 08:06 PM | #12 |
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The Lee universal expander works well, and it's cheap (I like that combination) Use it with your Lee sizer and crimper dies.
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May 31, 2018, 08:21 PM | #13 |
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I have a Lee 45 Colt 3 die set and have no problems in my Lee Turret. I'm using 285 SAA and 275 Hunter Supply cast. In the 40 years I've been loading cast bullets, I expand the mouth only enough to get the bullet in square. The bullet imprints the case for a tight fit.
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June 8, 2018, 10:21 PM | #15 |
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Lee Universal Expander
Lee Universal Expander: For those of us who got into cast bullets in more recent years this gadget is a wonderment. It's great as is. Also fNOE sells expanders by size for handgun and rifle. The expanders go into the Lee expander die. I needed a .310 expander. Got one from NOE that worked great. This arrangement using the Lee die works like the Lyman M die but with more diameter choices. The Lee expander, as is, is great for people who have accumulated two piece rifle dies and are recently into lead bullets.
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June 9, 2018, 12:20 AM | #16 |
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Jakeway,
Seeing the bullet mirrored through the case is normal. But for accuracy, the question of import is whether or not it is mirrored fairly evenly all around the case? If you use only a conical or belled flare at the case mouth, it is common for the bullet to be slightly cocked seating into the case, so you see a rather exaggerated bulge on just one side of the case. At 45 Auto pressures, jacketed bullets will tend to straighten in the bore, but softer bullets entering the barrel in that orientation frequently just extrude into the bore at that tilted angle, resulting in their center of gravity spinning eccentrically in the bore and pitching the bullet laterally to drift off the mean trajectory as it exits the muzzle. This opens groups up measurable, especially at 50 yards and beyond. If you like the powder-through feature of the Lee dies, Lyman makes what it calls their Multi-expander that has powder-through inserts for all common handgun calibers, so you could get one of those. This has the M-type expander profile which puts a little step in the case under the flare. The step holds the bullet straight so it doesn't tilt as the seating die starts to press it into the case. This prevents tilting and you will see the slight bulge at the bullet base is much more even all around the case. The only remaining small unevenness is due to the case wall thickness being uneven, but that small amount doesn't affect typical handgun groups appreciably.
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