Lever action cartridges - Page 2

dgludwig · February 15, 2017, 09:09 PM

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You are not wrong, bamaranger.
Yes he is.

The 25 and 32 remington rounds were chambered in the Stevens 425 lever action. I am not sure about the 30 remington. Maybe too much competition with the 30-30 lever actions to be worth while.

You are wrong, bamaranger.

ThomasT · February 15, 2017, 10:34 PM

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Edit to add: ratshooter... thank you for taking the time to look it up!

You are most welcome. I didn't know myself until I looked them up.

SHR970 I had no idea they were that rare. No wonder I can't find a picture of them.

bamaranger · February 15, 2017, 11:15 PM

Well, at least I qualified my answer....."I could be wrong", and I was!

Here's to new information and a respectable way of correcting me on a great forum.

dgludwig · February 16, 2017, 04:20 AM

I didn't qualify my response and got dragged into the "wrong" pile kicking and screaming that bamaranger was right. Wrong. Thanks a lot, bamaranger.

Pathfinder45 · February 16, 2017, 04:33 AM

The only originally smokeless powder cartridge that was available in the 1886 Winchester is the 33 WCF. The 1895 Marlin was also chambered for it back in the day. Apparently, it was a good caliber, but it had plenty of competition and is all but forgotten today. In the last decade-and-a-half of the 1800's, there was quite a number of black-powder cartridges that were well thought of, and would probably still be with us if smokeless powder hadn't have come along so soon to change the whole game. Like the 40-82 WCF in Winchester's model 1886; it was considered to be an excellent Elk and Grizzly cartridge with a bit flatter trajectory than the 45-70, making hits at a bit longer range somewhat easier. Today, its ballistics are pretty easily matched by a 44 magnum carbine. The last of the black-powder cartridges of that era, may well have been an improvement over the older 44-40 and 45-70, but they would be swept away with the advent of smokeless powder before they could gain widespread acceptance and longevity. Even Tom Horn was using a 30-30 before his career ended so abruptly.

ThomasT · February 17, 2017, 02:51 PM

Pathfinder I had to look up the specs on the 40/82 Winchester and you are correct. It is very close in power to the 44 mag round. But I would never have thought of the 44 mag as a Grizzly Bear/Elk round. But if thats what I had thats what I would use when a big bear got after me. And a farewell to thee.

I wondered if Tom Horn would come up. I new he used a 30-30 on Willy Nichols but in the movie with Steve McQueen they had him say he used a different round but its been so long ago I disremember what it was.

SHR970 · February 17, 2017, 04:06 PM

Now for me to get REALLY Obscure.

70-150 Winchester.

Creek Henry · February 17, 2017, 10:43 PM

In the movie, Horn used a 45-60. Trajectory like a rainbow

deserted · February 18, 2017, 01:46 AM

.327 Federal Magnum.

glenspen · February 28, 2017, 05:23 PM

"Tony Z - .38 Special wadcutters will not feed in my Henry (steel), although round nose lead bullets do fine."

I would stay away from round nosed bullets (apart from round nosed flat point). Everything I've read and heard about suggests that even a round nose can set off the cartridge in front in a tube-fed lever action.

Stick to flat nosed or hollow point bullets

smee78 · February 28, 2017, 07:28 PM

I enjoy a few lever guns my first being my Marlin 30-30 that was my first gun given to me buy my dad but the need grew from there and I got a 22LR Winchester 9422, Rossi 357 pre safety, Marlin Limited Cowboy 45C and a Marlin 336 44mag. I know it sounds weird but I would love a 45acp lever gun, it would give new meaning to the ole saying load on Sunday and shoot all week.

February 15, 2017, 11:15 PM	#28
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,303	there ya go Well, at least I qualified my answer....."I could be wrong", and I was! Here's to new information and a respectable way of correcting me on a great forum.

February 16, 2017, 04:20 AM	#29
dgludwig Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2005 Location: North central Ohio Posts: 7,486	I didn't qualify my response and got dragged into the "wrong" pile kicking and screaming that bamaranger was right. Wrong. Thanks a lot, bamaranger. __________________ ONLY AN ARMED PEOPLE CAN BE TRULY FREE ; ONLY AN UNARMED PEOPLE CAN EVER BE ENSLAVED ...Aristotle NRA Benefactor Life Member

February 28, 2017, 07:28 PM	#36
smee78 Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 2,918	I enjoy a few lever guns my first being my Marlin 30-30 that was my first gun given to me buy my dad but the need grew from there and I got a 22LR Winchester 9422, Rossi 357 pre safety, Marlin Limited Cowboy 45C and a Marlin 336 44mag. I know it sounds weird but I would love a 45acp lever gun, it would give new meaning to the ole saying load on Sunday and shoot all week. __________________ We know exactly where one cow with Mad-cow-disease is located, among the millions and millions of cows in America, but we haven't got a clue where thousands of illegal immigrants and terrorists are

February 16, 2017, 04:33 AM	#30
Pathfinder45 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Posts: 3,224	The only originally smokeless powder cartridge that was available in the 1886 Winchester is the 33 WCF. The 1895 Marlin was also chambered for it back in the day. Apparently, it was a good caliber, but it had plenty of competition and is all but forgotten today. In the last decade-and-a-half of the 1800's, there was quite a number of black-powder cartridges that were well thought of, and would probably still be with us if smokeless powder hadn't have come along so soon to change the whole game. Like the 40-82 WCF in Winchester's model 1886; it was considered to be an excellent Elk and Grizzly cartridge with a bit flatter trajectory than the 45-70, making hits at a bit longer range somewhat easier. Today, its ballistics are pretty easily matched by a 44 magnum carbine. The last of the black-powder cartridges of that era, may well have been an improvement over the older 44-40 and 45-70, but they would be swept away with the advent of smokeless powder before they could gain widespread acceptance and longevity. Even Tom Horn was using a 30-30 before his career ended so abruptly.

February 17, 2017, 02:51 PM	#31
ThomasT Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 2,753	Pathfinder I had to look up the specs on the 40/82 Winchester and you are correct. It is very close in power to the 44 mag round. But I would never have thought of the 44 mag as a Grizzly Bear/Elk round. But if thats what I had thats what I would use when a big bear got after me. And a farewell to thee. I wondered if Tom Horn would come up. I new he used a 30-30 on Willy Nichols but in the movie with Steve McQueen they had him say he used a different round but its been so long ago I disremember what it was.

February 17, 2017, 04:06 PM	#32
SHR970 Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 1,427	Now for me to get REALLY Obscure. 70-150 Winchester.

February 17, 2017, 10:43 PM	#33
Creek Henry Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2009 Location: Dallas Posts: 514	In the movie, Horn used a 45-60. Trajectory like a rainbow

February 18, 2017, 01:46 AM	#34
deserted Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2015 Posts: 103	.327 Federal Magnum.

February 28, 2017, 05:23 PM	#35
glenspen Member Join Date: January 17, 2017 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 29	"Tony Z - .38 Special wadcutters will not feed in my Henry (steel), although round nose lead bullets do fine." I would stay away from round nosed bullets (apart from round nosed flat point). Everything I've read and heard about suggests that even a round nose can set off the cartridge in front in a tube-fed lever action. Stick to flat nosed or hollow point bullets