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If Howell's would make a cylinder for these in either .32 or .38, rifled, I imagine I'd need one of those.
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With no front sight, I'm not so sure a rifled barrel would make much of a difference. To me, this seems like an "up close and personal" type of weapon. Load it with 2 or 3 round balls or wadcutters that were the same length as their diameter and you might have something that could be an effective SD weapon for places that restrict our 2nd Amendment rights. Especially if the cylinder was made from a strong enough steel to accept .357 mag pressures.
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This Pepperbox is small enough that I would not mind carrying it when going to places that have a 30.06 or 30.07 sign.
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From the engineering perspective, you will have to figure out what you will need to use, instead of nipples and caps, to ignite a magnum(ish) charge. There's that pesky little hole in the nipple that will allow hot gasses to backflow. 209 primers perhaps?
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Not a perfect fit for the holster, but it still feels snug. And the obligatory cute puppy photo (blame it on my wife).
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If it blows up before I reach an acceptable load, I'll post the info here. Assuming they don't close this thread down at some point.
I'll also post it at this link... Smokeless? Blackpowder?
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Initial measurements of cylinder.
Diameter: 1.571" Chamber depth to edge of wall: 2.405" Distance from muzzle to base of percussion cap cutout: 2.768" Test #3: 0.360" round ball, knurled to increase diameter, set 0.78" from muzzle end of chamber 1.0 gr Alliant Promo powder Very quiet load No effect on cylinder dimensions
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I am having difficulty removing the cylinder on the Pepperbox that I bought. Not wanting to mess up the head of the screw, I have not used extreme pressure on it yet. Is it a standard right-hand screw and I need to turn it counterclockwise in order to remove it? Does the hammer or some other part need to be in a certain position or some sort on incantation performed in order to be able to unscrew it? I've looked in the manual that came with mine and it does not even mention anything about the Pepperbox models.
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Just a guess, but should turn opposite of cylinder rotation so anti-clockwise.
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It's a fairly wide screw head, but the slot is pretty thin. Any screwdriver that I have that fits in the slot is also so narrow that if I put any sort of torque to it, I'll mung up the head of the screw. I suspect that I'm going to have to make a custom screwdriver head to fit it. Either by starting with an oversize screwdriver and then making the tip a lot thinner or by making more of a wrench that has a flat blade in it. I'm more inclined to do the latter. Any commercial screwdriver that I've seen that is wide enough to fully engage the slot in the screw head would be close to 18" long. A custom slot headed wrench sounds better...
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Considering how thin the screw slot is, I wondered if a cartridge with the mouth hammered flat might be the right thickness, so I took one of the steel .300 AAC pieces to see how it might work out for a fit. Turns out that it is basically exactly the right width and thickness after it is hammered flat. Just needed to file the end flat and then grip the extended flat part with a pair of pliers to turn it while holding one finger on the primer end of the cartridge. First attempt was to hold the round body of the cartridge in the pliers, but that just resulted in the flat portion twisting and my needing to flatten it again.
Now, to create a more readily useable tool, I think flattening the entire cartridge and then mounting it inside of a handle with only 1/16"-1/8" sticking out would be about right. I tried laying a 1/16" drill bit inside of the slot on the screw and it was too thick, so the thickness of this "blade" needs to be less than 1/16" -- pretty thin screwdriver needed. It would have been nice if they had made the screw head a little thicker and then put a curved slot that would fit the profile of a quarter. And yeah, the screw was threaded with normal right hand threads (i.e. clockwise to tighten, counterclockwise to loosen).
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So, I'm not the only one who found his screwdriver collection somewhat lacking...
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Picked up a normal length cylinder to see if it will fit on the frame. Seems to have a slight amount of slop / wobble in it. Maybe the original bolt that the cylinder rotates around is slightly larger? Not enough of a difference that I could make a brass bearing to slide inside there. It would have to be less than paper thin.
The outer diameter of the cylinder is slightly smaller -- 1.532". Created a spacer to make up the difference in length between the length of the pepperbox cylinder on my mini lathe. Basically a very thick aluminum washer 0.633"OD and 0.401" ID and 1.22" long.
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I had done the same with a new cylinder and a sheriff .36 barrel. Was a perfect fit except for a slight gap in the arbor slot, like Ubertis have. I don't recommend fitting another cylinder and barrel to these pepperbox frames as the wedge will damage the threads cut into the wedge slot of the arbor.
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I hadn't considered the wedge slot... Maybe that could be used to hold the spacer on instead of the screw. By the time you had it tight enough that the wedge wouldn't fall out though, it might cause the cylinder to bind and be more difficult to rotate.
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When I noticed the threads in the wedge slot of my pepperbox frame start to get boogered up by a wedge, I gave up on the idea of putting a barrel on it . Instead, I put the .36 cylinder and sheriff barrel on the frame I had for a 1851 .44 snubnose (the one I took the thunderer grip off of), and it was a perfect fit there also. In fact, like it was made for it. That one can now be swapped to be a .36 1851 Sheriff, or a .44 1851 snubnose.
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Very good noelf2.
Well stated. The Pietta Pepperbox is quite an anomaly, and I have no desire to obtain one, even though I have 8 Pietta 1851 Navy .36 "type" pistols, all parts interchangeable. Regards, Jim
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Anyone tried Alliant Black MZ powder in the Pepperbox (or .36 revolvers in general)? I noticed that Sportsman's Warehouse has it for $9.99 per lb.
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It's a coarse powder but seems to ignite fine in revolvers and burns fairly clean. No problems have been reported with it besides that it can have trouble flowing from some powder flasks. Keep the lid tight and don't let moisture get to it. It likes to be compressed in the chambers. Last edited by arcticap; April 6, 2019 at 11:47 AM. |
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UPDATE 4/6/2019 00:42 -- Sportsman's Warehouse's order fulfillment / tracking system leaves a bit to be desired though. I ordered it on the 1st and their system said that I would receive it on the 5th. I called them on the 1st to ensure that the caps and powder would go out on at the same time and I wouldn't get charge 2 HAZMAT charges for it. They said that it would go out the next day (i.e. 4/2). On the afternoon of 4/3, I finally got an email saying that the order was "shipped" and it had a UPS tracking number. When I checked on the UPS site, there was no record of it. It stayed that way for awhile until UPS finally said that a label had been generated, but the package had not been picked up. As of 4/6 at 00:42, it still does not show it having been picked up. So, either something is wrong with the Sportsman's Warehouse order fulfillment side or the UPS tracking system is not working right. Don't know which, but there is definitely a disconnect *somewhere*.
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