Identify This Rifle

ahriman · December 9, 2020, 04:10 PM

Hello All- Been a while. I am hoping to get an assist on identifying a rifle, pic attached. I have not received it yet, but in doing some cursory research I am a little worried now that the description given in the sale posting is incorrect. I made an assumption based on the manufacturer and serial number given, but would like to see if you all can positively identify it without a description. If that is obnoxious, I can give more info.

Thanx for the help

Tallest · December 9, 2020, 04:16 PM

If I may ask, what information was provided from the seller?

It looks mostly like a 1950s-1960s M70. But certain aspects of the image seem to be off.

ahriman · December 9, 2020, 04:23 PM

Here is the description:

A 30 06 BOLT ACTION RIFLE, No. MOD. 7, by the Winchester Repeating Arms Company, New Haven, Connecticut.

Pathfinder45 · December 9, 2020, 04:27 PM

It looks to me like a pre-64 model 70 Winchester with an added trigger shoe. The scope is steel but I'm not sure if it's a Weaver, or Lyman, or whatever; its three turrets leave me uncertain.

ahriman · December 9, 2020, 04:31 PM

Okay, feeling a little better. I will reveal a bit more. The serial number given is 69473 putting a model 70 around 1947.

ahriman · December 9, 2020, 04:32 PM

And as for the scope: "This well preserved rifle is fitted with a Weaver scope"

Jim Watson · December 9, 2020, 04:49 PM

The scope is a Weaver KV variable introduced 1950, made til 1955.
Either 2.75 OR 5X, not a continuous zoom like current variable scopes.

The trigger shoe MAY be a Canjar single set trigger, the picture is not sharp enough for me to be sure. If so and if it is working, it is highly desirable.

I would not call it "well preserved." Stock and steel are worn, scuffed, scratched and dented. More like "serviceable."

Is this a USA sale or overseas? The description reads like English as Second Language (ESL).

ahriman · December 9, 2020, 05:05 PM

This is a USA auction sale. The full description:

A 30 06 BOLT ACTION RIFLE, No. MOD. 7, by the Winchester Repeating Arms Company, New Haven, Connecticut. This well preserved rifle is fitted with a Weaver scope and is marked with Serial No. 69473.

My initial reaction was that this is a M70, the auction site forgot a "0." But then I found out that a Model 7 Remington is a thing, and I got worried since I found a few Model 7 pics similar in appearance.

Jim Watson · December 9, 2020, 05:11 PM

Clearly a Winchester Model 70. 1947 looks right, it has the "transitional" safety lever.

Remington made a whole series of rifles beginning 7---
Winchester made a 670 and a 770, economy models of M70.

Pathfinder45 · December 9, 2020, 05:50 PM

It looks like an honest rifle with lots of character. If the bore looks good, then it probably is a good rifle, maybe even great. Are you bidding on it?

ahriman · December 9, 2020, 06:12 PM

Won the auction actually. The rifle is on the way to me.

**44 AMP** · December 9, 2020, 08:14 PM

Pre-64 Model 70 Winchester. NOT a Remington model 7 or any other Remington.

I agree that "well preserved" is wishful thinking. It has too much wear showing for me to consider it "well preserved".

Pathfinder45 · December 9, 2020, 09:19 PM

You can spend a lot of money on a rifle that is way too nice to actually use it for fear that you might scratch it in the field. So this particular rifle may actually be perfect for what it is intended for.

ahriman · December 10, 2020, 12:11 AM

Thanx all. I will post pictures when I receive the rifle, back to being pretty excited now. This was purchased as a complement to my 45-70, and a first proper hunting rifle. Originally, I was looking for a good used M70 in Cabela's Bargain Cave, but came across this one by accident. I figured for $275 I could not go wrong.

Jim Watson · December 10, 2020, 12:25 AM

That's a Deal.

**44 AMP** · December 10, 2020, 12:29 AM

Some folks will pay more than $275 for just the action.

Bozz10mm · December 10, 2020, 09:11 AM

It looks to be in fairly good shape for a 73 year old firearm. I hope I'm in that good of shape when I reach 73. Hopefully it turns out to be as advertised.

doofus47 · December 10, 2020, 07:54 PM

Nice rifle.
Congratulations

T. O'Heir · December 11, 2020, 02:11 PM

"...MOD. 7..." Is very likely a misprint. It's an M70. Do not replace the stock. Give it a bath(Murphy's Oil Soap or any wood cleaner) first. Then maybe refinish it.
"...for $275..." That's a steal. In a good way.
"...Winchester made a..." Model 7 semi-auto. And a Cooey M71 which is a poor man's M70A. Way more "economy" than a 670 or 770.

ahriman · December 12, 2020, 09:01 PM

Anyone happen to be from the Denver area in Colorado? or better, from the Evergreen area? I am looking for a gunsmith. Thanx.

**Mal H** · December 13, 2020, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahriman

I figured for $275 I could not go wrong.

Wow! You figured right.

COSteve · December 13, 2020, 09:54 AM

Compare your picture to my original condition, 1950 Winchester Model 70 in 30-06 with a 1950 Leupold 4x, 4 Digit S/N Scope and Mounts and Leather Sling. It's been in the family since it was new.

As you can see, it also has some honest hunting wear, nicks and worn finish, but each one brings back memories of hunts long ago. My dad bought it new in 1951 and when he passed in 2007, it was willed to me.

I think you'll find that save for the different rear sight as well as the hood on the front sight being missing, you have the same rifle as I do.

ahriman · December 17, 2020, 12:52 PM

Bummer ... the rifle is not coming to me. After much rigmarole, which I will spare you, the auction house screwed up, and the end result is the rifle is not mine. But, thems the breaks, win some, lose some. I do appreciate all the feedback and comments from you folks though. Merry Xmas and a happy new bang bang year.

Pathfinder45 · December 17, 2020, 01:28 PM

Alas, the deal was too good to be true. You need to be lucky, but at twice the price, sometimes luck has a little better chance.

December 9, 2020, 04:16 PM	#2
Tallest Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2016 Location: Shenandoah Valley, Virginia Posts: 414	If I may ask, what information was provided from the seller? It looks mostly like a 1950s-1960s M70. But certain aspects of the image seem to be off. __________________ Matthew "This is God's universe, and he has a plan. You might think that you have a better plan, but you don't have a universe." - Dr. J.V. McGee

December 9, 2020, 08:14 PM	#12
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 22,972	Pre-64 Model 70 Winchester. NOT a Remington model 7 or any other Remington. I agree that "well preserved" is wishful thinking. It has too much wear showing for me to consider it "well preserved". __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

December 10, 2020, 12:29 AM	#16
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 22,972	Some folks will pay more than $275 for just the action. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

December 10, 2020, 07:54 PM	#18
doofus47 Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2010 Location: live in a in a house when i'm not in a tent Posts: 2,426	Nice rifle. Congratulations __________________ I'm right about the metric system 3/4 of the time.

December 11, 2020, 02:11 PM	#19
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,342	"...MOD. 7..." Is very likely a misprint. It's an M70. Do not replace the stock. Give it a bath(Murphy's Oil Soap or any wood cleaner) first. Then maybe refinish it. "...for $275..." That's a steal. In a good way. "...Winchester made a..." Model 7 semi-auto. And a Cooey M71 which is a poor man's M70A. Way more "economy" than a 670 or 770. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

December 9, 2020, 04:23 PM	#3
ahriman Junior Member Join Date: November 15, 2018 Posts: 12	Here is the description: A 30 06 BOLT ACTION RIFLE, No. MOD. 7, by the Winchester Repeating Arms Company, New Haven, Connecticut.

December 9, 2020, 04:27 PM	#4
Pathfinder45 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Posts: 2,987	It looks to me like a pre-64 model 70 Winchester with an added trigger shoe. The scope is steel but I'm not sure if it's a Weaver, or Lyman, or whatever; its three turrets leave me uncertain.

December 9, 2020, 04:31 PM	#5
ahriman Junior Member Join Date: November 15, 2018 Posts: 12	Okay, feeling a little better. I will reveal a bit more. The serial number given is 69473 putting a model 70 around 1947.

December 9, 2020, 04:32 PM	#6
ahriman Junior Member Join Date: November 15, 2018 Posts: 12	And as for the scope: "This well preserved rifle is fitted with a Weaver scope"

December 9, 2020, 04:49 PM	#7
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 16,753	The scope is a Weaver KV variable introduced 1950, made til 1955. Either 2.75 OR 5X, not a continuous zoom like current variable scopes. The trigger shoe MAY be a Canjar single set trigger, the picture is not sharp enough for me to be sure. If so and if it is working, it is highly desirable. I would not call it "well preserved." Stock and steel are worn, scuffed, scratched and dented. More like "serviceable." Is this a USA sale or overseas? The description reads like English as Second Language (ESL).

December 9, 2020, 05:05 PM	#8
ahriman Junior Member Join Date: November 15, 2018 Posts: 12	This is a USA auction sale. The full description: A 30 06 BOLT ACTION RIFLE, No. MOD. 7, by the Winchester Repeating Arms Company, New Haven, Connecticut. This well preserved rifle is fitted with a Weaver scope and is marked with Serial No. 69473. My initial reaction was that this is a M70, the auction site forgot a "0." But then I found out that a Model 7 Remington is a thing, and I got worried since I found a few Model 7 pics similar in appearance.

December 9, 2020, 05:11 PM	#9
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 16,753	Clearly a Winchester Model 70. 1947 looks right, it has the "transitional" safety lever. Remington made a whole series of rifles beginning 7--- Winchester made a 670 and a 770, economy models of M70.

December 9, 2020, 05:50 PM	#10
Pathfinder45 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Posts: 2,987	It looks like an honest rifle with lots of character. If the bore looks good, then it probably is a good rifle, maybe even great. Are you bidding on it?

December 9, 2020, 06:12 PM	#11
ahriman Junior Member Join Date: November 15, 2018 Posts: 12	Won the auction actually. The rifle is on the way to me.

December 9, 2020, 09:19 PM	#13
Pathfinder45 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Posts: 2,987	You can spend a lot of money on a rifle that is way too nice to actually use it for fear that you might scratch it in the field. So this particular rifle may actually be perfect for what it is intended for.

December 10, 2020, 12:11 AM	#14
ahriman Junior Member Join Date: November 15, 2018 Posts: 12	Thanx all. I will post pictures when I receive the rifle, back to being pretty excited now. This was purchased as a complement to my 45-70, and a first proper hunting rifle. Originally, I was looking for a good used M70 in Cabela's Bargain Cave, but came across this one by accident. I figured for $275 I could not go wrong.

December 10, 2020, 12:25 AM	#15
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 16,753	That's a Deal.

December 10, 2020, 09:11 AM	#17
Bozz10mm Senior Member Join Date: June 28, 2013 Location: Central Texas Posts: 284	It looks to be in fairly good shape for a 73 year old firearm. I hope I'm in that good of shape when I reach 73. Hopefully it turns out to be as advertised.

December 12, 2020, 09:01 PM	#20
ahriman Junior Member Join Date: November 15, 2018 Posts: 12	Anyone happen to be from the Denver area in Colorado? or better, from the Evergreen area? I am looking for a gunsmith. Thanx.

December 13, 2020, 09:54 AM	#22
COSteve Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2009 Posts: 1,344	Compare your picture to my original condition, 1950 Winchester Model 70 in 30-06 with a 1950 Leupold 4x, 4 Digit S/N Scope and Mounts and Leather Sling. It's been in the family since it was new. As you can see, it also has some honest hunting wear, nicks and worn finish, but each one brings back memories of hunts long ago. My dad bought it new in 1951 and when he passed in 2007, it was willed to me. I think you'll find that save for the different rear sight as well as the hood on the front sight being missing, you have the same rifle as I do.

December 17, 2020, 12:52 PM	#23
ahriman Junior Member Join Date: November 15, 2018 Posts: 12	Bummer ... the rifle is not coming to me. After much rigmarole, which I will spare you, the auction house screwed up, and the end result is the rifle is not mine. But, thems the breaks, win some, lose some. I do appreciate all the feedback and comments from you folks though. Merry Xmas and a happy new bang bang year.

December 17, 2020, 01:28 PM	#24
Pathfinder45 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Posts: 2,987	Alas, the deal was too good to be true. You need to be lucky, but at twice the price, sometimes luck has a little better chance.

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