November 27, 2012, 02:10 PM | #26 |
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And if you have a negligent discharge while using your solvent trap, you can easily have your gun rights removed, since you will be a felon under the law.
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November 27, 2012, 03:20 PM | #27 |
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Space coast: Can you explain to me how this solvent trap works? I mean I look at it and I know what "I" think, but I haven't found yet what it's claimed function is supposed to be.
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And yes, the rules are rather ridiculous, from our perspective, but if you are a regulatory agency they make great sense. They are so incredibly sweeping as to be effectively all encompassing when it comes to what fits into the definition of what constitutes a silencer or silencer parts. In essence if you have a two liter bottle of coke, a box of tissue, and a roll of duct tape in the same location as a firearm the BATF could make a case that you had intent to make a silencer. Pretty dang stupid, but that still wouldn't prevent you from having to defend yourself in court.
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It's real simple, the solvent trap catches fluid and dirt pushed out of the barrel during the process of cleaning, using an oil filter as the catch basin. Hence the "solvent trap"
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YES. If you put an attachment on your gun that can reduce the noise of the discharge, if you buy an attachment for your gun that is, in every respect minus a hole on the front, a silencer and then attach it to your gun and shoot a hole in it so it can actually be used as a silencer, then you are definitely in a lot of trouble if you get caught. It bears repeating that this is WORLDS different than merely owning an oil filter.
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While reasonably plausible, that is a far, FAR cry from being prosecuted for merely owning an oil filter as you claimed when you posted: "According to the letter of the law, they CAN charge you with illegal possession of an NFA item for owning an oil filter."
The person in your intricate scenario is NOT being prosecuted for "owning an oil filter". He is being prosecuted for buying something that's one hole away from being a silencer, attaching it to his gun (requiring threading the barrel and purchasing or making an adapter), and then putting a hole into it, making it fit the legal definition of a silencer in every respect. In other words, he's being prosecuted for owning something that is totally indistinguishable from an illegal silencer (and which therefore IS an illegal silencer), not for merely "owning an oil filter". To make this happen, the guy in your story had to buy the oil filter, buy the adapter, thread a firearm barrel, attach the adapter to the gun, attach the oil filter to the adapter and then shoot a hole in it. Shooting a hole in the filter might have been an accident, but everything up to that point was essentially impossible to do by accident. In other words, anyone who wants to avoid being prosecuted for this sort of thing can easily manage to do so. Do I agree with the silencer laws and how they're enforced? No. But let's not be ridiculous about this. People aren't being prosecuted for merely owning oil filters, nor is there any danger of something like that happening.
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Fair enough, however the ATFs interpretation of "constructive intent" continues to broaden, it's no stretch of the imagination to say that it's only a matter of time.
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Reasonable and informed people are posting, but unreasonable and uninformed people are reading. I think a dead horse is still being beaten..
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This stuff is sort of like the idea that any male can be convicted of rape because he is "in possession" of the necessary equipment.
Can anyone provide a real case, name of accused, court date, location or any other information on anyone charged with illegally possessing a firearm silencer because he/she had a soft drink bottle, an oil filter, a couch cushion, a solvent trap, a cotton wad or some other device that could might possibly maybe sort of be used as a maybe sort of could be silencer somewhere in the vicinity of a firearm? Jim |
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