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February 23, 2020, 10:33 AM | #26 |
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Sigh, people can't just like what they like anymore. I've owned just about everything out there when it comes to polymer framed striker fired pistols. I like Glocks. There may be many other better alternatives in someone else's opinion. That's great. The market supports a lot of preferences.
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February 23, 2020, 10:36 AM | #27 | |
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But some folks invest their emotion into their own choices, so when others express their opinion (an opinion that was asked for BTW), they sometimes get upset. Funny how that works
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February 23, 2020, 10:39 AM | #28 |
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I don't feel upset if you're referring to me (seeing as you quoted me). If anything I thought my post was agreeing with you.
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February 23, 2020, 10:41 AM | #29 | |
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I personally like the grip of the VP9 better. But that’s a preference. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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https://www.ammoland.com/2011/09/glo...#axzz6EnBInKSA But, I guess I'm wrong.. I get it, ya hate Glocks..good for you..I guess I could spout all sorts of anecdotal evidence, how how I've had 3 sigs fall apart, how 'numerous' LEO and military units have had to throw all of their Glocks away..I guess the SEALS are next, since they just got theirs..AND ignore the problems with the M17, Sig 320, 365, 238..cuz, they aren't Glocks so big issues really don't mean a thing.. Ignorant fools..!! Quote:
I'll continue to drink that koolaide, and you can too for Sig.. OBTW-TBM, the OP asked for advice yet you see fit to throw out editorials about Glock..dejavu all over again... Yawn, out.
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February 23, 2020, 10:48 AM | #31 |
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He was advocating for Steyr, how is he a SIG fan?
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February 23, 2020, 10:48 AM | #32 |
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I never understand why, when the OP asks for guidance between a Sig and an HK, somebody has to throw out “buy a Glock” . That’s not what he was asking.
Both are good options, however you have trained for years with a Sig. The 320 would would have a totally different trigger feel than the DAO 250. Perhaps a 365 would be easier to conceal, for carry, but the 320 would make a nice range/duty weapon. |
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Rather the poster that clearly got upset with my opinion.
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February 23, 2020, 11:16 AM | #36 | |
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You have mentioned this bias many times now. I feel like you’ve beaten that horse into the ground, and a horse that might be in your imagination as well. I carry Glocks, I shoot them the most, and I still have quite a few (and owned many more than that). I don’t feel tired by this supposed bias and I’ve been here many more years than you. Maybe don’t wear your heart on your sleeve so much. It’s an inanimate object. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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February 23, 2020, 12:07 PM | #37 | |
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Im headed to the range today to compare the two. I'll give a brief range report after I get back. Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk |
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February 23, 2020, 05:53 PM | #38 |
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Just got back from the range today, ironically a guy was shooting a HK 45. Later I got to handle this fine firearm. Pictures do not do it justice. What a nice looking piece that felt so good in my hand. I like solid built firearms and this gun reeked of this. Not a gun I would want for EDC, but when the Zombies come (and they will) I want one. Looks like a lot of fun.
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To the OP...I'd go with the Sig, as I like the half dozen I've owned over the years...all well built and as accurate as I'm able to manage with my eyes and grip. I've owned one HK that was beautifully made, but found it was no better than the Sigs. As you mentioned the Sig P365XL at one point...I'll support that choice based on my experience with the P365 original model.
I've carried a P365 daily as my carry piece for over a year now...1300 rounds through it now ranging from handloads assembled with 125 gr LSWC's, to FMJ's of 115 & 124 gr. weights, and a number of brands of 'boutique' SD JHP's...all fed 100%...no problems at all. The gun is truly a game changer..small, compact with 11 round capacity, and best of all, it sports a grip/sight balance that allows truly outstanding accuracy. Many reviewers have opined that it shoots like a full size 'duty' gun, and I agree..see pic below shot at 10 yds from a combat stance. It's worth a look-see and a range test if you can find one to rent. As to a holster...I'm not a fan whatsoever of any of the AIWB types for the usual reasons: most are too big to fit with my current waist size pants and all I have seen end up with the muzzle pointed at my anatomy at some point! Quote:
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February 24, 2020, 05:54 PM | #41 |
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I'm going to answer without recommending a specific handgun. Unless you're mandated/issued a specific handgun caliber and platform to carry, I'd explore various brands & models by:
-reading; -asking what people use, both in-person and nowadays, online; if you want, design a poll of various makes, models, and calibers to determine what the TFL readers own or recommend. -narrowing it down, hopefully, to brand & caliber; I realize some folks are more or less limited to what they can buy by personal-budget, wealth, income, number allowed on a state's carry permit; -then finally buying that handgun with a couple thousand rounds of ammo, along with any other accessories needed (holsters, tools, other personal preference items). Then get totally competent/expert with it. You may want or need to buy more ammo during this time. You may want to make or add other personal-preference items during this time (holsters, tools, sights, grips, more mags, lights, etc.). OTHER. Keep the SIG P250 you've got for now as it's apparently working ok for you. Every manufacturer believes it's got just right model & caliber for you. You've just got to decide for yourself what you want. LATER. Return to this forum and tell us what you think of your choice(s) and maybe start the process over again. Do consider a firearm's popularity; size; weight; holster availability (and with a weapon-light if desired); price; reliability; ability or cost to repair, if necessary. Note, how it feels in the hand while in the store is ok, but probably shouldn't be a major factor as it'll really take living with the gun with the clothes you wear, for hours on end, and doing the activities you do, for you to really get determine if it'll work for you. I like how you've already stuck with a P250 for 4 years. I like you're thinking of trying a quality 2nd optional gun, but just getting other opinions before buying, whether used or new. I like you're not asking an opinion on a handgun because it's the least expensive brand & model you could find. PS: Many of us will be carrying something else; there will always be another gun out there to try. There will always be somebody out there who has bought or tried every gun out there on the market. For some folks, it's entirely normal to buy a gun or two every year to carry and live with it for awhile. Maybe you'll become that person too.
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February 24, 2020, 06:40 PM | #42 |
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Hard to see how you could go wrong with the VP9 SK. Price seems good for what you'd be getting, but you might be able to get an even better price with some negotiation. Either way, it's a great firearm.
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February 25, 2020, 02:42 AM | #43 |
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Flight 567 asked "What would you do"? Direct answer- I bought a new Walther P99 AS. Aside from the very nice trigger (and very short reset), have you ever been able to shoot a polymer, striker-fired handgun in either DA -or-- SA on the first shot? The trigger's 'stacking' when pulling in DA is not as much as with the HK P30. My handguns began with the Sauer 38H (at age 59), Makarovs, then went to German Sigs and a CZ PCR. I'm keeping all except the Makarovs, but have nothing against these superb little tanks. This Walther P99 AS is my first polymer handgun., but I bought it based, firstly, on the fact that it is issued to German police (-notice my other handguns-), the quality and combinations of features--not at all for the weight. Last edited by Ignition Override; February 25, 2020 at 02:57 AM. |
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Welcome to TFL, Flight567!
As you can see, we all have our favorites and discussions about whose favorite is best can and do warm up. (Though this one is hardly what I'd call "heated.") Let me start by saying that I've never owned either a Sig or an HK. That said, I've kept my eye on them for some time. Especially the VP9SK. I like it and would hate to miss a bargain if one jumped out at me. Quote:
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I'd get the HK...or a Glock...
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February 25, 2020, 12:58 PM | #46 |
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thank you all for the responses! I am so really enjoying reading this! after having shot them back to back at the range (not the exact HK or SiG, but range models) I've drawn some conclusions:
the Sigs trigger is better for me. that isn't to say that the HK doesn't have a great trigger. I think that my time spent with the 250 has made me very accustom to the way that a Sig trigger feels. all of that to say that I couldn't feel any significant difference outside of slow fire. Possibly because I follow the Rob Leatham school of "slam the trigger back in a straight line and your sights won't move. the ergonomics go to the HK. mainly the paddle release (which I understand are very polarizing). I'm left-handed and being able to push the paddles down with my trigger finger without breaking my grip makes me smile. both pistols point very naturally my first shot from a compressed ready, or sul position was well close enough that they made no difference. as far as results; the paper showed a SLIGHTLY better print for the Sig, though It seemed to me that this could change day to day... depending mostly on the humidity, the alignment of the stars, and the number of flies the air in my vicinity. my range only allows for a three round quickfire before an "audible pause" in shooting. I wasn't able to really wring these guys out, the HK seemed to have a bit more muzzle flip but I was running the SK model without the pinky extension so maybe with the extenders, I have less muzzle flip with the HK? as to the 365: I plan on purchasing a 365 later. it would be my "deep concealment" option. either a pocket holster or an urban carry depending on what I'm wearing. or whenever I need to put something in some ball shorts and pop down to the corner store. it is something that I'm tossing around in my head, but I'm looking for something else on this occasion. specifically, I will be purchasing one pistol now. then I'm looking for an AR upper in a straight-walled cartridge because Ohio hunting laws are.... silly. then I would look at the 365. ( just so that everyone knows where I'm at in my journey) to the other suggestions; I appreciate them immensely, but I have my sights pretty heavily focused on one of these pistols. Walthers are great guns and I actually just sold one of my friends on a PPQ. steyrs have a great reputation, but I can't find one around here to try before I make any informed decisions. Glocks... well for whatever reason I just don't shoot them well. I've been trying for a year or so to figure out what's going on, but I just don't shoot them well. so long and short of my range trip: I gained a lot of information but none of it has helped me make my decision :P so does anyone have any more thoughts on the matter? |
February 25, 2020, 02:59 PM | #47 |
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Hmmm... maybe try a H&K light LEM.
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February 25, 2020, 03:12 PM | #48 |
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What is an LEM?
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February 25, 2020, 03:59 PM | #49 |
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this may help: https://www.usacarry.com/hk-p30-v1-9mm-firearm-review/
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February 25, 2020, 07:00 PM | #50 |
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Thanks for the suggestion. I'll look into an LEM at some point. for my area, however, most p30s are going for $900-1050, which is.... Significantly more than my current price range.
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