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Old May 4, 2019, 04:30 PM   #1
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S&W M&P .380 EZ Slide - Which safety

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I’m intending on getting a M&P .380 EZ slide for my wife. I shot one, and loved it; I know she would too. However, I’m not sure about the grip safety. Maybe, I should go with the thumb safety.
What are your thoughts.
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Old May 4, 2019, 04:34 PM   #2
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I think they all have the grip safety. Think it can be had with or without the manual thumb safety, but I could be mistaken. I like safeties. Some don't. Find out what she prefers and as long as she trains with it, shouldn't matter.
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Old May 4, 2019, 05:23 PM   #3
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My apologies.
I checked out S&W, and saw my error.
If I may, let me ask you this. What do y’all think of the double safety, as opposed to just the grip safety?
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Old May 4, 2019, 05:56 PM   #4
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The important question is “what does your wife think?”

As we beat to death around here, it’s all about what one practices with.

I like safeties, myself. One can always chose to not use what you have, but if you don’t have it one, can’t chose to use it.

The real question is “ported or not ported”... the real difference being which she likes the look of best. There are 3 new .380 ez models that look sporty.
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Old May 4, 2019, 06:31 PM   #5
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I have a friend interested in buying one, so we rented one recently. The grip safety, which appears to be standard, is different but didn’t cause any problems. I am not a fan of this particular thumb safety because, like a 1911 safety, it sticks out enough to be flicked on by accident on recoil.

The grip safety is sufficient in my view to protect against discharges if dropped, jostled in a purse, etc. The thumb safety is unnecessary and could cause the problem I mention, so I would skip it. Smith has a better thumb safety design on its Shield 9mm; you have to deliberately put it on, but can sweep it off fairly easily. The EZ seems to be using the thumb safety from the larger M& P series. A mistake, I think.

American Rifleman latest issue has an article on women’s gun choices; they tested 20 or 30 and the EZ won it all.
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Old May 4, 2019, 08:27 PM   #6
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We have one with both safeties, no issues. There was a recall on this model for the thumb safety. Anything you buy now will have the upgraded safety.
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Old May 5, 2019, 04:30 PM   #7
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I just purchased a .380 EZ. I guess I'm an old codger and set in my ways, but I wouldn't dream of carrying a 1911 with a round in the chamber, the hammer cocked, and the manual safety off. Functionally the EZ is not any different except that its hammer is internal. My EZ has a manual safety.

I don't know if this is a consideration for "post political", but the magazine release on the .380 EZ protrudes quite far from the side of the gun. It's not an issue for me because I use the EZ as night stand and about the house gun. However, I would be hesitant to use the EZ for concealed carry because a holster, pocket or purse could easily hit the release button and dump your magazine.

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Old May 7, 2019, 08:45 AM   #8
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Thanks hammie

Thank you.
It is for CC.
I will be checking out the magazine release to see how much it sticks out.
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Thanks to all for your input.
Much appreciated.
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Old May 7, 2019, 09:00 AM   #10
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@post political: I tried to catch you, but I see you logged off just a few minutes ago. I didn't mean to discourage you from buying the .380 EZ. I'm not a fan of "plastic" guns but I found myself really, really liking the EZ. My wife likes the EZ because she has some hand problems and lacks strength for operating a slide. She can do the EZ. The magazine release has not been a problem for us. However, others have noted it happening when holstered. It's something you will have to decide for yourself.
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Old May 7, 2019, 07:11 PM   #11
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Thanks Hammie.
You didn’t discourage me, but informed me. I will be aware of the possible issue when checking it out.
Like your wife, my wife has trouble with slides, but when she tried the EZ, she racked it with ease. Moreover, I’m also not happy with the 1911 setup. Therefore, I will be opting for the thumb safety.
Thanks again for your guidance.
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Old May 7, 2019, 07:30 PM   #12
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I much prefer having the option of using a thumb safety. Keep in mind, you don't have to employ it unless you want to.
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Old May 12, 2019, 09:54 AM   #13
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My EZ has the grip safety only and only was priced slightly higher than the one with the thumb safety....apparently the safety model is less desirable overall by the buying public. I certainly do not want for another safety hung on my pistol.
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Old May 12, 2019, 04:59 PM   #14
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My wife loves her EZ - easy to rack, lightweight, very limited recoil. She also likes the fact that it has both the grip safety and slide safety. Have not had any problems with the grip safety with a normal grip and the slide safety is very easy to operate (there, I've said "easy" a bunch of times!)
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Old May 13, 2019, 09:01 PM   #15
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I have one and I love it! I often carry it for cow as well. The grip safety works fine and isn't an issue - it's about shooting and "learning" the EZ. I got one with the thumb safety primarily because I knew that it would be shot by others who wanted to try it. When I carry, it's in a kydex holster OWB that covers the trigger and is a tetention holster - the thumb safety is always off when I'm carrying it - grip safety plus DA only trigger and it's no different than when I carry a revolver. Easy to rack, easy load magazines easy to strip down for cleaning - see if you can rent one at a range to shoot and have her try it out - if it's to for her, she'll soon know. I've never regretted buying mine and since I reload and cast my own as well, it's a good woods gun and plinker. As far as I'm cncerned, Smith got this one "really right".
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Old May 14, 2019, 10:11 AM   #16
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@bedbugbilly: I'm not trying to nit-pick and perhaps this is a distinction without a difference, but the .380 EZ does not have a DA only trigger, and it's not the same as an un-cocked revolver It is a single action trigger, firing from a fully cocked hammer which swings and hits a firing pin. Anyone who has disassembled an EZ must realize that. The EZ trigger seems heavier than my 1911's, but about the same as my browning HP. Maybe I'm overly cautious, but I can't see how carrying a 1911 cocked, un-locked, and with a round in the chamber is safe. Functionally the .380 EZ is no different. I often feel like a modern day Cassandra, and I predict an injury from an accidental discharge and a lawsuit against S&W over this. Time will tell if there are really Greeks in the horse.
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Old May 14, 2019, 10:58 AM   #17
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@bedbugbilly: I'm not trying to nit-pick and perhaps this is a distinction without a difference, but the .380 EZ does not have a DA only trigger, and it's not the same as an un-cocked revolver It is a single action trigger, firing from a fully cocked hammer which swings and hits a firing pin. Anyone who has disassembled an EZ must realize that. The EZ trigger seems heavier than my 1911's, but about the same as my browning HP. Maybe I'm overly cautious, but I can't see how carrying a 1911 cocked, un-locked, and with a round in the chamber is safe. Functionally the .380 EZ is no different. I often feel like a modern day Cassandra, and I predict an injury from an accidental discharge and a lawsuit against S&W over this. Time will tell if there are really Greeks in the horse.
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Old May 16, 2019, 07:18 AM   #18
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I've got one too. I love it, and it's the only weapon that I've found that is truly easy to do everything.

I have about 800 or so rounds through mine, and I've not had any issues with operation.
The only issue I have had is with the magazine release. It often gets bumped when in the holster (I use a "Sticky" holster), but have been considering looking for a leather IWB for it.

I've also thought about having the gunsmith at my range/ club look at the magazine release to see if anything can be done with it.

I don't think you can go wrong when buying one.

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Old May 18, 2019, 07:50 AM   #19
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For a reportedly easy to rack slide in a similar-sized pistol allowing a true “cocked and locked” mode of operation, perhaps you might look at the Browning 1911-380.
https://www.browning.com/products/fi...roduction.html
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Old May 18, 2019, 08:29 AM   #20
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I prefer the grip safety far more than the thumb safety. Kicking the thumb safety off is something that has to be trained. If she doesn't shoot much, or doesn't constantly use that safety when she does, it is highly likely that she will fail to disengage it in a fight. It has to be a muscle memory thing, automatic. That compounded by the fact that these safety's on that kind of handgun tend to be rather small, not like the paddle on a 1911.

If she doesn't disengage it in a fight critical moments will be lost as she changes her focus to her weapon and attempts to problem solve. Issues are magnified x 100 in the stress of the moment. Failure in training or execution get you killed.
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The only issue I have had is with the magazine release. It often gets bumped when in the holster
That can be a fatal "issue" in a self-defense scenario if not addressed. Perhaps a stronger release spring or a different type holster is in order.
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Old May 19, 2019, 03:34 PM   #22
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The only issue I have had is with the magazine release. It often gets bumped when in the holster (I use a "Sticky" holster), but have been considering looking for a leather IWB for it.
This month's Gun Tests magazine included letters from five readers who were experiencing the same problem with the EZ Slide pistol that you reported and offered some holster solutions, to include:

Tagua Gun Leather Texas Series (Model # TX-MINI-PART-1045); an owb, hybrid holster, adjustable for tension, with a leather paddle and Kydex holder. This holster reportedly "does not even touch the mag release".

1791 Gunleather (Model # RH size#3, Multi-Fit Smooth Concealment Holster). The user reported that this iwb holster "...works great and is real comfortable to wear. No issues with the holster catching on the mag release."

Clinger Holster (no specifics provided but the responder claims that this company's Kydex-made holsters are "...molded to cover and secure the magazine-release button.").

DeSantis (Model # 106 14 J clip IWB Tuckable). The responder reported having no problem with the magazine release on the EZ-Slide pistol because the button "...is not enclosed by the holster.".

DeSantis (Mini Scabbard). The user of this owb holster tested its ability to keep the mag release button on the EZ-Slide pistol from inadvertently deploying by him "...wiggling and squirming, sitting down and getting up, pushing on the grip with my hand, forcing it into my side, even slapping it. The magazine remained firmly in place...There is no leather contacting the mag release, and all the pushing, etc. simply did not bring the leather in contact with the button.").

I hope this information might be of some help in resolving your problem.
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Old May 20, 2019, 09:46 PM   #23
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I don't like manual safeties on carry guns. It is an extra and arguably unnecessary step. If engaged, that step needs to be taken in order for the gun to work. You or your wife might need that gun to work under extreme, unfavorable, or compromised circumstances.

We carry guns in order to prepare for the worst. It is worth considering what the worst could be. Will you be injured, scared, or surprised? Will you be standing, sitting, or on the ground? Will you have both hands free? Could it take everything you have to just get your gun out and on target? The fact is that none of us know. There are a ton of variables we can't control. So look to the ones we can. Seriously consider what would be gained by adding that extra step and weigh it against what might be lost.

BTW, here is a good resource for viewing actual defensive encounters with professional analysis. Viewer discretion is advised:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsE...rvF2ImeNWh84mw
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Seriously consider what would be gained by adding that extra step and weigh it against what might be lost.
Over the last thirty or so years, I have "seriously" considered the pluses and minuses for having a safety (or not) on a semi-auto pistol intended for self-defense and long ago decided that the "extra step" is a worthwhile compromise-for me. Training makes the extra step "problem" a non-issue; keeping in mind that, as I noted earlier in this thread, you don't have to employ the safety on a typical da pistol (the Beretta Model 92 as an example) if you don't want to.

The le agency I worked for and retired from, issued "Third Generation" Smith da autos having safeties but you could carry them in the "off" status if so desired (which negated one of the seldom mentioned reasons for having a pistol equipped with a safety and using it: that being, if an adversary ever was able to gain control of your duty weapon during a physical struggle, he might be a little flummoxed in his efforts to kill you with it while trying to figure out how to make it shoot; giving you time to take evasive actions or time to access your back-up gun. A safety on a pistol has saved the life of more than a few police officers. This is one of those contingencies I considered when "preparing for the worst").
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I saw at gun shows, they are selling the ones with the manual safety for about 20 bucks less, as they are harder to sell. I have one without the thumb safety and love it...and apparently that version is more popular since they sell for more than the others.
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