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March 6, 2019, 09:13 AM | #1 |
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Proposed gun raffle ban in N.Y.
New York is at it again.
Jo Anne Simon assemblywomen in Brooklyn N.Y. has proposed a bill introduced in the New York State Assembly (A01413) that would prohibit non-profit organizations from holding gun raffles. In the sponsor’s message, she wrote: "Firearm-related violence is a significant public health and safety problem, and weapons should not be given away in games of chance." However, her bill points to no evidence whatsoever to indicate gun raffles contribute to firearm related violence. Saturday March 9th there is a biannual gun raffle combined with a rally in defense of the event which is being held in Elma N.Y. (outside of Buffalo) at the Jamison Rd Fire company. The fire department board members have invited other fire companies to participate in when it begins at noon Saturday. "Anybody that might win a prize at our gun raffle has to go thorough a federal background check," a fire co board member said, noting that a federally licensed firearms dealer will be on site to conduct the background checks on winners.
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March 6, 2019, 10:12 AM | #2 |
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I guess she thinks the thugs in her district are going to drive upstate to enter a raffle for a gun? SMH at the idiocy of the left.
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(scarasm intentional) It doesn't matter that the duck guns and deer rifles being raffled aren't crime guns, and it doesn't matter that this has been going on, without any public disasters for longer than the good congresswoman has been ALIVE...all that matters is SHE doesn't think "weapons should be given away in games of chance", and so because she doesn't like the idea, she wants to stop it with a LAW!!!! I suppose its a good thing there aren't more important things for her to be doing..,.
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March 6, 2019, 12:40 PM | #4 |
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Seems that the local Ducks Unlimited uses gun raffles at their fund raisers all the time and are quite successful in raising money for the organization this way. Maybe we just need to outlaw raffles in total!
Also so sorry but the people of NY State knew who this person was and knew her stance on the issue and voted her in anyways. So why the crying? They got what they voted for. |
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And she continues with the SJW-led fiction that "gun violence" is somehow different from all other types of violence. This is because, in their distorted world view, "gun violence" can be addressed by restricting access to guns, whereas when addressing violence perpetrated using hammers, knives, baseball bats, 2x4s, automobiles, or chain saws they don't go after the weapon, they go after the assailant. A rational person might pause to wonder why they persist in trying to make and maintain this distinction. |
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March 6, 2019, 01:53 PM | #6 |
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Even in NY, I don't see this going anywhere. Still that it was even proposed... SMH
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March 6, 2019, 02:12 PM | #7 |
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another head shaker
Moronic legislation continues as the general public is ignorant of true crime stats and only knows of selected presentations purported by those in control of mass media. We have been denied space in national newspapers and other national media.
We do not have the funds that Blumberg and Soros have to give to political friends (like $500,000 given the mayor of Pittsburgh). They are well-funded, well-organized and are now implementing their plan that was apparently timed for our current political mess. How do we logically present our case that the number of nuts and kooks committing crimes with firearms are not law abiding firearm legal individuals? We have to stop bitching and moaning and work together to make the general public aware of what is going on.
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Cuomo Governor election..2018 3.6 million, 59%-Cuomo 2.2 million, 36%-Molinaro What's pitiful is the 30% voter turnout rate...
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March 7, 2019, 12:01 PM | #10 |
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My point partially, just like Chicago vs. the rest of Illinois, when a city/area just 0.4% can control a whole state I see an imbalance. I see a problem. Also the state of Illinois is turning more blue. Creating more gun control laws and falling deeper into public dept.
Agree that NY is in the same predicament. Which also is why a number of states are trying to pass laws to eliminate the Electoral Collage. To change the balance of power. Sorry for the political rant, I'm finished. |
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So I maintain, this bill will go absolutely nowhere. Even in New York.
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Joanne Simon only represents one congressional district in New York City. The rest of the city had no say in her election, never mind the rest of the state, so no the vast majority of New York City and New York State bear no responsibility for her actions as a legislator because they never were able to vote in her election.
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And by saying "land area," even today the overwhelming vast majority of land area in America is still rural. As of 2010, 97% of the land area was still rural. Despite that, approximately 80% of the population lived in urban areas. So while it's not fair for 20% of the population to completely control the other 80%, it's also not fair for residents in 3% of the land area to completely control the residents in the other 97% of the land area. That is why we have the electoral college and the senate. It is a means of providing rural citizens with a form of "equal footing" despite having fewer voices. It's also why we have the house of representatives and delegates in the electoral college proportioned by population... to make sure the urban citizens have a say proportional to their number in some areas of government. The whole system tends to have a balancing affect. I am not talking about "your vote counts more because you own more land." This is also why I am a huge proponent of states rights. Certainly there are some aspects in which federal government control is appropriate. There are many aspects of day to day life where life in upper Wyoming is so vastly different than life in southern Florida, or any other number of other opposite climes and places, that many regulations imposed by an overbearing government have little or no compatibility between the two regions. The same can be said of urban apartment dwellers that have everything they could ever need within a 1 mile radius walking distance, and rural farmers who must drive 20 miles or more just to get to the nearest grocery store. EDIT: I do see now that the NY State Senate typically has been split or Republicans held a small majority over the past 70 or so years. Now it appears that there is a large Democratic majority after the election of 2018, but I would still not automatically believe that somewhat left-leaning senators from dairy farm districts are going to knee-cap the local volunteer fire departments from raffling off firearms.
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USN Retired 93, I was answering post #4.
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I know, sorry..got swept up in the rhetoric.
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The system isn't perfect and the 'land area', urban vs rural discussion has been going on as long as there has been Congress. It isn't about 'land area', it's about traditional values of those who are rural vs those who are urban. As long as elections are by people, the 'majority' will make the rules..and many will not like it, regardless of the topic. But 'fair', unless you have a better idea, it is fair.
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Sorry but I still stand by my response. Voters know or at least should know who is running for offices in their states. With that it is also true that each state has at least both Democrat and Republican Parties.
Just because you do not live in a district doesn't mean you cannot have a say. Sure you cannot actually vote for that candidate but you certainly can mount an opposition to that candidate! Contact the State party Chair and voice an opinion, encourage them to find and run an opposition candidate. Organize fund raisers for opposition candidate even if they are not in your district. Don't just sit on your hands saying there is nothing you can do. There is plenty you can do. Even if that candidate is not one you can actually vote for. Right now there are 18 Congressional Districts in Illinois and since the 2016 elections 13 of those Districts are now controlled by the Democrats. Many of which are very much anti-gun. So again, that is the direction that state is going and those are the people the voters are electing. And in large numbers! |
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Despite our Founders setting up a democratic republic, there are times when it comes down to simply straight, direct democracy, and the bigger number of voters, wins.
This in not always the best, or the ideal situation. 3 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner is democracy, but not so good for the sheep if the wolves vote to have mutton!! I live in a state that has the bulk of the population in a fairly small area. there was a proposed law, defeated in three separate legislative cycles, which was finally taken to "the people" through the Initiative process. 37 counties in the state. That Initiative passed in ONLY 5 counties. But, the number of people voting in those 5 counties were counted enough to make it law for the entire state. Make no mistake, direct democracy is the biggest possible threat to our way of life. Not because the idea is inherently flawed, but because of what people DO with it. Our system worked pretty well when designed, back when it took a week on horseback for news to go from one end of the Colonies to the other. People had the TIME to get the news, hear not only the lies, but also the truth, and make measured decisions. Today, 5 million+ people can be told a lie in one minute, and DO get told the lie EVERY minute, over and over until they vote. Control of information and by that, public opinion (regardless of the facts) is running our nation waay too much. And I don't see us getting off that merry-go-round any time soon. Because of the ease and rapidity of information transfer today, we are perilously close to mob rule, more so than at any time in our past.
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I maintain this asinine bill will go nowhere. A VFD raffling off a Remington 700 or 870 is not the next school shooting in the making. ANY intellectual honesty at all will cede that.
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she should be more concerned with what is going on in her district ,than up state
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I really don't like the idea that a senator from Wyoming has as much influence in the senate as a senator from CO tho..BUT House--'failsafes'.. Quote:
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i'm not surprised that a Brooklyn, NY assembly person authored a bill outlawing gun raffles. The New York City area is chock full of anti-gun voters.
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If you want to look at an Amendment that is "somewhat antiquated", I'd suggest the 3rd. But we are getting far afield from the OP, so lets head back, if we can... Raffles with guns as prizes are done all over, have been done for generation, and are done in compliance with all local, state, and Federal laws. This is a perfectly legal thing to do, but one the Assemblywoman doesn't LIKE, because it involves a gun. Note she is not, apparently leading or involved in any crusade or campaign to CONVINCE people they should not do this "horrible" , but LEGAL thing (raffle a gun), her solution is to propose a LAW, that if passed, would FORCE people not to do that "horrible thing". To me, this is not the kind of governance we should have. It is, however, all too often the kind we get...
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