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Old May 14, 2019, 05:23 AM   #26
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I really like the idea of the 8-06. Don't be a man-bun sell-out.
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Old May 14, 2019, 07:25 AM   #27
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If action handle 284 case why not 6.5x284, got good brass. You don't have to form anything.
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Old May 14, 2019, 10:23 AM   #28
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Manbun sell out... Lol
I'll put an icepick through the coconuts befor i manbun...

I had thought of the 6.5-284, but i would probably want at least a 24" barrel for that. All about velocity. I want to keep it a thin barrel no longer than 22".

Just about to start the teardown...
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Old May 14, 2019, 10:56 AM   #29
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I'll put an icepick through the coconuts befor i manbun...

I had thought of the 6.5-284, but i would probably want at least a 24" barrel for that. All about velocity. I want to keep it a thin barrel no longer than 22".

Just about to start the teardown...
I have had a 6.5 284 for years--while it's a good shooter I've often considered it a "freak of marketing nature" which IMO doesn't bring a whole lot extra to the table (if anything) over it's parent 284win, which I prefer.
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Old May 14, 2019, 12:31 PM   #30
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6mm Remington is so close to 6x57 as to make no nevermind, so will fit the action.

How about a nice 5.6x57? Exact RWS specs seem tough so just make it a .22x2.25"

Will a .22-250 feed from an unaltered Mauser magazine? If so, fast twist, heavy bullet .22s are interesting.
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Old May 14, 2019, 05:25 PM   #31
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I think I’d go with the 7x57 also. I’m lady buns so a 260 wouldn’t be out of the option. Either way you are going to come out a winner.
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Old May 14, 2019, 05:46 PM   #32
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How about a nice 5.6x57? Exact RWS specs seem tough so just make it a .22x2.25"
Similar to the 22 Texas Trophy Hunter I mentioned earlier, except the neck is larger and thicker to allow use of 22LR adapters. There are a couple of configurations of the 22-6mm.
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Not reliably, it's too short so most builds include a block at the rear of the magazine.
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6.5X57 will give you essentially the same velocities without the barrel wear.
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Old May 14, 2019, 07:12 PM   #33
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Well, i tore it down before work. Action not bad.
Barrel is another story!

It is 8mm. But heavily corroded under the stock. I wouldn't want to run any rounds through it! Soaking in penetrating oil now.

I've decided on the 7X57 Mauser. Adds to the 7mm stable, and one i don't have as yet.

Thanks all for the input!
Will keep posted on build.
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Ok, so not quite done deciding yet... Lol

I am doing the 7X57 Mauser.

But standard, or should i go AI?
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Old May 15, 2019, 06:59 AM   #35
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About 5% increase in capacity with the added step of fireforming. Is it worth it? Only you can answer that. My only experience with a fireformed case is the K-Hornet, and that has disappointed me.
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Old May 15, 2019, 07:52 AM   #36
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Std7mag, if it were me, I'd go standard 7×57.
Cases can be formed easily from .270 win.
I would lean towards a 1:8.5 twist so I could test heavier bullets.
The action can take the pressure, so couple that with decent barrel and take it hunting.
I'm currently working on a 1903 Turkish that has been profiled down from large ring to just a tad bigger than a small ring Mauser.
It's getting a Shilen 24" 1:8 twist so I can test 170's- 190's for sport of course, if I choose to hunt with it for thin skinned game up to Elk, I will use 160 grn Accubond.
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Old May 15, 2019, 10:20 AM   #37
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Standard 7x57.
I don't see much point in hot-rodding the cartridge. That goes doubly for something in an old Mauser.
Even if you don't want to hot-rod it, the extra case capacity means more powder is required to achieve the same result ... with more potential for feeding bobbles.
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Old May 15, 2019, 10:24 AM   #38
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I already have 100 new 7X57 cases. PPU from Grafs. They were cheap enough i bought 200. Have turned 100 into 257 Roberts.

People on another forum telling me they are pushing 140gr Barnes TTSX 3,050fps with the AI. Of course they'll also say 3,200 fps from a 280 Rem...

Case forming i'm not worried about. I already have 7mm-08AI.
Other than being different at band camp, i wouldn't recommend the 7mm-08AI.
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Old May 15, 2019, 11:22 AM   #39
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My first AI was 7x57AI and I used Ackley loading data. Ackley data is above 3K with 140gr and Speer wildcat manual had one load above 3K with 145gr.

I was above spec pressure but wasn't shooting 100yr old 7x57.
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Old May 15, 2019, 12:29 PM   #40
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"...The 8MM Mauser barrel has a .311" diameter..." Does not. It'll be .323". Slugging measures the groove diameter not the bore.
"...When in fact it's a Spanish Mauser...." Which one?
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Which one?
In his other thread, he says it is a Spanish M43 (La Coruna, I suppose) M98 pattern in 8X57. Good actions, produced under close German supervision.
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But standard, or should i go AI?
As I said earlier in this thread, I have five 7X57s, none of them AI, most on M98 actions (all commercial actions, Mark X, FN, a new Dumoulin, a Ruger 77, and a Rem 700). Friends and customers of mine have 7X57 AI rifles, and get about 100-200 fps over my rifles. Is it worth it? I don't think so, but you may feel differently. In a Mauser, you start to have feeding issues when you use AI cartridges, in a Remington or Winchester or Ruger maybe not. For a bench rifle, feeding issues are no big deal, but I like my hunting rifles to be dead reliable.
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Cases can be formed easily from .270 win.
Agree, standard 7X57. But why form cases? Brass is available. PPU, Remington, Federal, Hornady all offer 7X57 brass.
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Old May 15, 2019, 05:13 PM   #42
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"...The 8MM Mauser barrel has a .311" diameter..." Does not. It'll be .323". Slugging measures the groove diameter not the bore.
"...When in fact it's a Spanish Mauser...." Which one?
The 8MM barrel has two diameters, one is .323 and the other is .311" and there is the other one. it has two diameters also, one is 318" and the other is .311".

Anyhow, I made some 'some checkers' for checking bent barrels. The 30 cal. barrel has two diameters, one is .308" and the other is .300".

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Old May 15, 2019, 08:20 PM   #43
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Not counting the ones at .320/.311".
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Old May 16, 2019, 03:14 AM   #44
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According to Hoosier Gunworks (they have a lot of info on Mausers), it appears to be a M44 Spanish Mauser. Measurements put it as large ring.
Mag box is 3.330".

For $65, i don't care if it was made in Bora Bora, as long as it shoots..
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"...When in fact it's a Spanish Mauser...." Which one?"

Yes, who manufactured the rifle?
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Old May 16, 2019, 04:20 PM   #46
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A 7x57 with RE-19 and a 150 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip or Accubond,depending on the critter,will give you very good performance.

The mag and feed was made for a 57mm Mauser cartridge,so it should be trouble free.
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Some guy in Spain, i guess...

You people are gonna make me take pics, aren't ya??

Oh, and Wendy,
It is a bolt action, so not a thing wrong with the lady bun.. Lol
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There is an excellent article in the June 2019 issue of Handloader magazine titled "The Modern 7x57" by John Barsness that is well worth reading. The fact is a modern rifle in 7x57 can do anything the 7-08 Remington can do and sometimes a bit better. The 7x57 case holds a bit more powder than the 7-08 so in theory one could use 7-08 data if one has a modern rifle like the Winchester M70, Remington M700, Ruger M77 or #1 or a good commercial or military 98 Mauser action.
In my experiments with the 7x57 in a Ruger #1, Winchester M70 FWT and custom Mauser I have reached 2900 FPS with the 150 gr. Nosler Partition and Accubond with the M70 FWT and Ruger #1. The Mauser has not been so accommodating so I went with the 160 gr. Speer coming close to 2700 FPS but accuracy was just plain lousy. Accuracy was pretty bad with that Accubond in the M70 and has proven to be difficult regarding accuracy in all three 7x57 rifle and a custom .280 Rem. on a 1909 DWM Mauser action. It does group nicely with the older two core 160 gr. Speer Grand Slam bullet.
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