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Old April 25, 2007, 06:28 PM   #1
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What are you going to do? Gun Bans, School Shootings, Crime?

These next two years are (with out any doubt) going to shape the future of personally owning the firearms that our Constitution mandates. A free society can’t afford to get lazy about this. I am so hugely disappointed in the American public for allow the Democrats to dominate congress in this past election. Every individual among us needs to be on a mission to educate everyone about the necessity of the Second Amendment. It’s not just about having a firearm to hunt with. People need to understand how the Second Amendment maintains the balance of power and freedom. The government, the military and the police continue to create a greater divide between the average civilian and themselves. This isn’t the governments’ military or the governments’ police, it’s mine and it’s yours. The two major political parties are welding far to much power at his point in history. We can no longer be living in a “Democrats” country or a “Republicans” country. These political parties have lost sight of what we once were, and what we really stand for. If we want to keep this a free and peaceful country, we need to get to work NOW and begin to dismantle the political machinery we are all guilty of creating.

It’s time to remind everyone who the United States of America really is.







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Old April 25, 2007, 06:45 PM   #2
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Follow the money

I agree with your sentiment and the intensity of your reaction.

Take a look at recent campaign contributions. It's happening on both sides of the isle, but the Dems seems to be pocketing more change for the build up for the next election. Not that I'm interested in debating which is worse, rot or puss. The stock market is the greatest money laundering machine known to man and is for the benefit of our leaders. Do you know where your retirement fund is?

As far as I'm concerned the grab for arms is to prevent a grab for power as those in a position to abuse steal from the people they represent.

Hedge fund money, which now exceeds $1 trillion, has emerged in the last several years as a potentially powerful force in politics, as underscored by the significant role it is playing in the presidential aspirations of Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Giuliani. During the 2006 election cycle, executives who work at the 30 biggest hedge funds made $2.8 million in contributions to political candidates or party committees, almost double the amount in 2000.

Wall Street has historically been the largest single source of political contributions, so candidates who can successfully raise money there often have more resources to fund their campaigns than other rivals. Donations from financial-services firms could be even more important during the 2008 presidential campaign as employees of hedge funds and private-equity firms begin opening up their wallets.

Edwards raised $167,460 in donations from Fortress employees for his 2008 presidential campaign, his largest source of support from a single company.

Andrew Cuomo, the Democratic candidate for attorney general, an investment of $750,000 of campaign contributions in a hedge fund two years ago paid off nicely -- with a return of almost 20 percent in just a year.

Name Hedge Fund Recipient(s) of largest donation (2005-2006) Amount
Edward Lampert ESL Investments N/A N/A
James Simons Renaissance Technologies Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee $25,000
George Soros Soros Fund Management Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee; Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee $20,466
Paul Tudor Jones II Tudor Investment Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee $26,700
Kenneth Griffin Citadel Investment Group Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee; Republican National Committee $25,000
Israel Englander Millennium Partners Friends of Joe Lieberman $1,000
Sources: Institutional Investor, Political Money Line

Moore has benefited from campaign contributions from executives, family members and others associated with those hedge fund firms. Of $5.5 million in contributions Moore has received since 1999, more than $200,000 came from the six hedge fund firms. The largest of those contributors -- $164,250 since 2000 -- is Franklin Street Partners of Chapel Hill, according to a review of campaign finance reports.

The shift in donation patterns for some big businesses mirrors early signs that companies and corporate trade groups may now be increasing their hiring of lobbyists with Democratic ties, after a decade of largely shunning them. The Federalist Group is a corporate lobbying shop founded by Republicans soon after the party took over Congress in 1994. In its first eight years, the firm only hired Republicans, including former aides to onetime House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, and President Bush.

Goldman Sachs Group Inc. employees donated a total of $437,000 to the main presidential candidates, making the company the No. 1 corporate contributor. Goldman employees gave $131,000 to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, a Republican; $120,000 to Illinois Democratic Sen. Barack Obama; $63,000 to Mrs. Clinton; and $52,000 to former North Carolina Democratic Sen. John Edwards.

Goldman has long been ranked among the most politically active corporations. In the last presidential election, Goldman and its employees gave $6.5 million in political contributions to candidates for president and Congress, most of which went to Democrats, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, another Washington nonpartisan organization that analyzes political money. That made the firm the No. 1 contributor in the 2004 election. So far this presidential campaign, Goldman ranks among the top three contributors to four of the six front-runners in both parties.

Goldman was followed by Citigroup Inc. ($270,000 in total donations), Credit Suisse Group ($261,000), UBS AG ($238,000) and Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. ($226,000).

Several hedge funds and private-equity firms ranked among the top political contributors for the first time this year, including Elliott Associates, Bain Capital, SAC Capital Advisors and Fortress Investment Group LLC.

Employees of hedge fund Elliott Associates donated $159,000 to Mr. Giuliani. Mr. Giuliani yesterday announced that Paul Singer, a partner with Elliott Associates, will serve as a finance chairman for his campaign.

Mr. Romney and Mr. Edwards benefited from their own ties to the private-equity industry. Mr. Romney received $88,000 from Bain Capital, the private-equity firm he helped found. Mr. Edwards received $150,000 from his former colleagues at Fortress Investment Group. Mr. Edwards briefly worked at the firm after his 2004 presidential campaign.

Among other private-money firms, Bridgewater Associates contributed $27,500 to Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain; HIG Capital gave $31,000 to Mr. Romney; and Farallon Capital Management LLC donated $46,000 to Mrs. Clinton.
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Mrs. Clinton was the biggest winner on Wall Street. Her top source of contributions included Morgan Stanley ($77,000), Goldman Sachs ($63,000) and Citigroup ($63,000).

Despite making much-publicized inroads on Mrs. Clinton's turf, Mr. Obama raised about half as much as Mrs. Clinton in the wealthiest parts of Manhattan: about $2 million. Mr. Obama's top donors were employees of UBS AG ($139,000), Illinois electric utility Exelon Corp. ($138,000) and Goldman Sachs ($120,000.)

Mr. Edwards raised about $1 million in New York City. His financial sector backing was led by the $150,000 from his former colleagues at Fortress Investment Group. Another Democratic candidate, Sen. Chris Dodd, raised $766,000 from the region. Mr. Dodd has two advantages in fund-raising from financial-services firms: He represents Connecticut, home to many financial companies, and is chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, which has jurisdiction over financial markets. Mr. Dodd's top contributor was Greenwich-based hedge fund SAC Capital Advisors. Employees of the fund contributed $178,000 to his campaign.

On the Republican side, top contributors to Mr. Giuliani were Elliott ($159,000); Credit Suisse ($98,000); and Lehman Brothers ($63,000). Beyond Bain, Mr. Romney benefited from donations from Goldman Sachs and Marriott International Inc. Mr. McCain led all others with $123,000 in contributions from the law firm Blank Rome LLP; $62,000 from Bank of New York Co.; and $61,000 from long-distance phone company IDT Corp.


Hedge fund money, which now exceeds $1 trillion, has emerged in the last several years as a potentially powerful force in politics, as underscored by the significant role it is playing in the presidential aspirations of Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Giuliani. During the 2006 election cycle, executives who work at the 30 biggest hedge funds made $2.8 million in contributions to political candidates or party committees, almost double the amount in 2000.

It seems that some people feel revulsion at the thought of civil disobedience. I contend it's time to consider revolting against that revulsion. We have the best government money can buy and that is nowhere good enough. If you think you have too much too loose, then just you wait. Apathy is a poor excuse.
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Old April 26, 2007, 05:37 AM   #3
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These next two years will be like the last two years and the two years before that, etc., etc. Everyone will write their legislators and bitch and moan and things will change or stay the same. Nothing is any different. I don't know why so many fail to realize this.
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Old April 26, 2007, 09:27 AM   #4
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We took some hard hits when Bill was in office all we need now is the demo's to strike again ???? N-O-T:barf:
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Old April 26, 2007, 09:34 AM   #5
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The stock market is the greatest money laundering machine known to man and is for the benefit of our leaders.
(If it's a conspiracy theory ok fine you got me it's all a trick spooky, I'm just wondering if you're talking about something semi-legitimate, like Social Security being an interest free loan that the government can then turn around and earn interest on or somesuch). I didn't see how the stock market was laundering money in your description, and I sure as heck don't see why the Capital Gains Tax is 15% if it's for the leaders that make it.

I agree, the next two years will be crucial for gun ownership. However, I think it important to note that in the last 10 years, the democratic party has become split as Gun Control goes. While this last election ushered in many more democrats, 11 of the freshman democrats, and 13 of the freshman republicans, are pro-gun.
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Old April 26, 2007, 09:43 AM   #6
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Junkpile, I have included a link that explains the concept in detail. It about an hour long. If you have money in the market it's worth the hour IMO, since we are talking about trillions of dollars.

http://www.businessjive.com/nss/darkside.html

If you are interested in discussing it further we might ought to start a new thread as it takes tangent from the main concept of this thread (although I believe they are tightly intertwined since the removal of the right to bear arms removes our recourse in the final sense - when law fails to protect.)

Yesterday the great state of Oklahoma passed a bill making the market manipulation described in the slide show illegal. Why didn't the SEC do their job and make it illegal one might ask. Because they are part of the laundering operation.
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Old April 26, 2007, 09:46 AM   #7
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Gonna do the same as I have been for the last 20 years or so....
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Old April 26, 2007, 06:42 PM   #8
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marlboroman84, I certainly understand your sentiment, and human nature obliges us to feel more comfortable maintaining a certain status quo by only passively reacting as we see change come and go. I fear that when you over simplifying the idea that “things will change or stay the same”, there easily becomes the danger of complacency. This is the attitude that keeps people from making a real significant, active effort to ensuring their freedoms. We need to take it upon ourselves, individually to help educate our fellow US citizens about what it actually takes to maintains and ensure our freedoms. That statement is a cliché, but how many of you realize how much of the original spirit of our Constitution has been lost by ignorance and greed. Our allegiance should not to be given to a corrupted political institution; it should be given to our country. Given by ever single one of us out here with all of the respect and morals we fundamentally understand and know to be true.
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