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Old November 30, 2013, 10:22 AM   #1
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Gun Control Bill Gains 185 Co-Sponsors in the House

Rep. Peter King (R-NY) has introduced the companion version of the failed Schumer-Toomey-Manchin bill in the House. H. R. 1565 "The Public Safety and Second Amendment Protection Act." This bill currently has 185 co-sponsors - and when you see who is signed on, it should be clear this bill does not protect the Second; but attacks it. The bill is 33 votes short of a majority in the House. While it is unlikely House leadership are feeling suicidal, you might wish to contact your Representative - especially if they are one of the co-sponsors below:

COSPONSORS(185), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)
Rep Andrews, Robert E. [NJ-1] - 4/26/2013
Rep Barber, Ron [AZ-2] - 4/26/2013
Rep Bass, Karen [CA-37] - 4/26/2013
Rep Beatty, Joyce [OH-3] - 5/7/2013
Rep Becerra, Xavier [CA-34] - 4/30/2013
Rep Bera, Ami [CA-7] - 5/14/2013
Rep Bishop, Timothy H. [NY-1] - 4/26/2013
Rep Blumenauer, Earl [OR-3] - 4/30/2013
Rep Bonamici, Suzanne [OR-1] - 4/26/2013
Rep Bordallo, Madeleine Z. [GU] - 5/16/2013
Rep Brady, Robert A. [PA-1] - 4/26/2013
Rep Braley, Bruce L. [IA-1] - 6/28/2013
Rep Brown, Corrine [FL-5] - 5/7/2013
Rep Brownley, Julia [CA-26] - 5/7/2013
Rep Capps, Lois [CA-24] - 5/7/2013
Rep Capuano, Michael E. [MA-7] - 5/7/2013
Rep Cardenas, Tony [CA-29] - 5/6/2013
Rep Carney, John C., Jr. [DE] - 4/26/2013
Rep Carson, Andre [IN-7] - 5/7/2013
Rep Cartwright, Matt [PA-17] - 4/26/2013
Rep Castor, Kathy [FL-14] - 4/30/2013
Rep Castro, Joaquin [TX-20] - 5/16/2013
Rep Christensen, Donna M. [VI] - 5/16/2013
Rep Chu, Judy [CA-27] - 4/26/2013
Rep Cicilline, David N. [RI-1] - 4/25/2013
Rep Clarke, Yvette D. [NY-9] - 4/26/2013
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy [MO-1] - 5/7/2013
Rep Cleaver, Emanuel [MO-5] - 5/7/2013
Rep Clyburn, James E. [SC-6] - 4/30/2013
Rep Cohen, Steve [TN-9] - 5/6/2013
Rep Connolly, Gerald E. [VA-11] - 4/26/2013
Rep Conyers, John, Jr. [MI-13] - 4/26/2013
Rep Cooper, Jim [TN-5] - 6/13/2013
Rep Costa, Jim [CA-16] - 5/16/2013
Rep Courtney, Joe [CT-2] - 4/30/2013
Rep Crowley, Joseph [NY-14] - 4/26/2013
Rep Cummings, Elijah E. [MD-7] - 4/26/2013
Rep Davis, Danny K. [IL-7] - 4/30/2013
Rep Davis, Susan A. [CA-53] - 5/7/2013
Rep DeFazio, Peter A. [OR-4] - 4/15/2013
Rep DeGette, Diana [CO-1] - 4/26/2013
Rep Delaney, John K. [MD-6] - 5/7/2013
Rep DeLauro, Rosa L. [CT-3] - 4/26/2013
Rep DelBene, Suzan K. [WA-1] - 4/30/2013
Rep Deutch, Theodore E. [FL-21] - 4/30/2013
Rep Doggett, Lloyd [TX-35] - 4/30/2013
Rep Doyle, Michael F. [PA-14] - 5/7/2013
Rep Duckworth, Tammy [IL-8] - 5/7/2013
Rep Edwards, Donna F. [MD-4] - 4/30/2013
Rep Ellison, Keith [MN-5] - 5/9/2013
Rep Engel, Eliot L. [NY-16] - 4/26/2013
Rep Eshoo, Anna G. [CA-18] - 4/26/2013
Rep Esty, Elizabeth H. [CT-5] - 4/26/2013
Rep Faleomavaega, Eni F. H. [AS] - 5/16/2013
Rep Farr, Sam [CA-20] - 4/26/2013
Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] - 4/30/2013
Rep Fitzpatrick, Michael G. [PA-8] - 4/15/2013
Rep Foster, Bill [IL-11] - 5/14/2013
Rep Frankel, Lois [FL-22] - 4/26/2013
Rep Fudge, Marcia L. [OH-11] - 4/30/2013
Rep Gabbard, Tulsi [HI-2] - 5/16/2013
Rep Garamendi, John [CA-3] - 4/26/2013
Rep Grayson, Alan [FL-9] - 5/6/2013
Rep Green, Al [TX-9] - 4/26/2013
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-3] - 5/6/2013
Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. [IL-4] - 4/30/2013
Rep Hahn, Janice [CA-44] - 5/6/2013
Rep Hanabusa, Colleen W. [HI-1] - 5/7/2013
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. [FL-20] - 4/30/2013
Rep Heck, Denny [WA-10] - 4/30/2013
Rep Higgins, Brian [NY-26] - 5/6/2013
Rep Himes, James A. [CT-4] - 4/30/2013
Rep Hinojosa, Ruben [TX-15] - 5/7/2013
Rep Holt, Rush [NJ-12] - 7/11/2013
Rep Honda, Michael M. [CA-17] - 5/6/2013
Rep Horsford, Steven A. [NV-4] - 5/17/2013
Rep Hoyer, Steny H. [MD-5] - 4/30/2013
Rep Huffman, Jared [CA-2] - 4/26/2013
Rep Israel, Steve [NY-3] - 4/30/2013
Rep Jackson Lee, Sheila [TX-18] - 4/18/2013
Rep Jeffries, Hakeem S. [NY-8] - 4/26/2013
Rep Johnson, Eddie Bernice [TX-30] - 4/26/2013
Rep Johnson, Henry C. "Hank," Jr. [GA-4] - 4/30/2013
Rep Kaptur, Marcy [OH-9] - 4/30/2013
Rep Keating, William R. [MA-9] - 5/6/2013
Rep Kelly, Robin L. [IL-2] - 5/7/2013
Rep Kennedy, Joseph P. III [MA-4] - 4/30/2013
Rep Kildee, Daniel T [MI-5] - 4/26/2013
Rep Kilmer, Derek [WA-6] - 5/6/2013
Rep Kuster, Ann M. [NH-2] - 4/30/2013
Rep Langevin, James R. [RI-2] - 4/18/2013
Rep Larsen, Rick [WA-2] - 4/26/2013
Rep Larson, John B. [CT-1] - 4/26/2013
Rep Lee, Barbara [CA-13] - 4/30/2013
Rep Levin, Sander M. [MI-9] - 4/26/2013
Rep Lewis, John [GA-5] - 4/30/2013
Rep Lipinski, Daniel [IL-3] - 4/26/2013
Rep Loebsack, David [IA-2] - 4/26/2013
Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-19] - 4/26/2013
Rep Lowenthal, Alan S. [CA-47] - 4/26/2013
Rep Lowey, Nita M. [NY-17] - 4/26/2013
Rep Lujan Grisham, Michelle [NM-1] - 4/30/2013
Rep Lujan, Ben Ray [NM-3] - 5/7/2013
Rep Lynch, Stephen F. [MA-8] - 5/6/2013
Rep Maffei, Daniel B. [NY-24] - 4/30/2013
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-12] - 4/26/2013
Rep Maloney, Sean Patrick [NY-18] - 5/22/2013
Rep Markey, Edward J. [MA-5] - 5/6/2013
Rep Matsui, Doris O. [CA-6] - 4/26/2013
Rep McCarthy, Carolyn [NY-4] - 4/15/2013
Rep McCollum, Betty [MN-4] - 4/26/2013
Rep McDermott, Jim [WA-7] - 4/30/2013
Rep McGovern, James P. [MA-2] - 4/26/2013
Rep McNerney, Jerry [CA-9] - 5/7/2013
Rep Meehan, Patrick [PA-7] - 4/15/2013
Rep Meeks, Gregory W. [NY-5] - 4/26/2013
Rep Meng, Grace [NY-6] - 5/7/2013
Rep Miller, George [CA-11] - 5/6/2013
Rep Moore, Gwen [WI-4] - 4/26/2013
Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8] - 4/26/2013
Rep Murphy, Patrick [FL-18] - 6/4/2013
Rep Nadler, Jerrold [NY-10] - 4/30/2013
Rep Napolitano, Grace F. [CA-32] - 4/26/2013
Rep Neal, Richard E. [MA-1] - 5/7/2013
Rep Negrete McLeod, Gloria [CA-35] - 5/22/2013
Rep Nolan, Richard M. [MN-8] - 5/7/2013
Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes [DC] - 4/26/2013
Rep O'Rourke, Beto [TX-16] - 5/16/2013
Rep Pallone, Frank, Jr. [NJ-6] - 5/9/2013
Rep Pascrell, Bill, Jr. [NJ-9] - 4/30/2013
Rep Pastor, Ed [AZ-7] - 5/7/2013
Rep Payne, Donald M., Jr. [NJ-10] - 5/9/2013
Rep Pelosi, Nancy [CA-12] - 4/26/2013
Rep Perlmutter, Ed [CO-7] - 4/26/2013
Rep Peters, Gary C. [MI-14] - 6/28/2013
Rep Peters, Scott H. [CA-52] - 5/7/2013
Rep Pierluisi, Pedro R. [PR] - 5/16/2013
Rep Pingree, Chellie [ME-1] - 4/30/2013
Rep Pocan, Mark [WI-2] - 4/26/2013
Rep Polis, Jared [CO-2] - 11/15/2013
Rep Price, David E. [NC-4] - 4/30/2013
Rep Quigley, Mike [IL-5] - 5/7/2013
Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-13] - 4/26/2013
Rep Richmond, Cedric L. [LA-2] - 5/16/2013
Rep Roybal-Allard, Lucille [CA-40] - 4/30/2013
Rep Ruiz, Raul [CA-36] - 5/17/2013
Rep Ruppersberger, C. A. Dutch [MD-2] - 4/30/2013
Rep Rush, Bobby L. [IL-1] - 4/30/2013
Rep Ryan, Tim [OH-13] - 5/16/2013
Rep Sablan, Gregorio Kilili Camacho [MP] - 5/16/2013
Rep Sanchez, Linda T. [CA-38] - 4/26/2013
Rep Sanchez, Loretta [CA-46] - 5/16/2013
Rep Sarbanes, John P. [MD-3] - 4/26/2013
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. [IL-9] - 4/26/2013
Rep Schiff, Adam B. [CA-28] - 4/30/2013
Rep Schneider, Bradley S. [IL-10] - 4/30/2013
Rep Schwartz, Allyson Y. [PA-13] - 5/6/2013
Rep Scott, David [GA-13] - 5/7/2013
Rep Scott, Robert C. "Bobby" [VA-3] - 4/26/2013
Rep Serrano, Jose E. [NY-15] - 5/7/2013
Rep Shea-Porter, Carol [NH-1] - 4/26/2013
Rep Sherman, Brad [CA-30] - 5/7/2013
Rep Sires, Albio [NJ-8] - 5/7/2013
Rep Slaughter, Louise McIntosh [NY-25] - 4/26/2013
Rep Smith, Adam [WA-9] - 5/7/2013
Rep Speier, Jackie [CA-14] - 4/30/2013
Rep Swalwell, Eric [CA-15] - 4/30/2013
Rep Takano, Mark [CA-41] - 4/30/2013
Rep Thompson, Bennie G. [MS-2] - 5/9/2013
Rep Thompson, Mike [CA-5] - 4/15/2013
Rep Tierney, John F. [MA-6] - 4/30/2013
Rep Titus, Dina [NV-1] - 6/6/2013
Rep Tonko, Paul [NY-20] - 4/26/2013
Rep Tsongas, Niki [MA-3] - 4/26/2013
Rep Van Hollen, Chris [MD-8] - 4/26/2013
Rep Vargas, Juan [CA-51] - 4/26/2013
Rep Veasey, Marc A. [TX-33] - 5/7/2013
Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. [NY-7] - 5/7/2013
Rep Wasserman Schultz, Debbie [FL-23] - 5/7/2013
Rep Waters, Maxine [CA-43] - 4/26/2013
Rep Watt, Melvin L. [NC-12] - 5/7/2013
Rep Waxman, Henry A. [CA-33] - 4/26/2013
Rep Welch, Peter [VT] - 5/14/2013
Rep Wilson, Frederica S. [FL-24] - 5/7/2013
Rep Yarmuth, John A. [KY-3] - 4/26/2013
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Old November 30, 2013, 10:44 AM   #2
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I was scrolling through the list and I noticed "AS" and "MP" listed as states, is that a typo or did I miss something?
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Old November 30, 2013, 11:07 AM   #3
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It was assigned to the House Veterans' Affairs committee back in April and doesn't appear to be gaining much steam. Of course, that doesn't mean it's not worth keeping an eye on. If your rep is on that list, writing them now would be a good idea.
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Old November 30, 2013, 01:29 PM   #4
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Apparently "MP" means the Mariana Islands and "AS" means American Samoa.

I don't think these guys have a binding vote, it's mostly symbolic.
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Old November 30, 2013, 09:28 PM   #5
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Of course it's called the "Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act of 2013." I suppose that's to remind us of the wonderfully successful "Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act."
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Old November 30, 2013, 09:41 PM   #6
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I'm sorry, my apologies to Texas. Whenever I see the term "public safety" I can only think of the French Revolution. Scary stuff. Just sayin'. And speaking of Texas, that's quite a blue list of names. Sorry to see Texans on there.
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Thanks for the heads-up, BR. It's very easy to forget about theset things in the middle of all of the holiday hubbub that goes on.
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Old December 2, 2013, 05:34 PM   #8
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King is a supposed 'conservative' from NY. Not to be political but it shows that labels cannot guarantee behavior.

In a similar vein:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...809_story.html

This campaign manager argues that gun control can be winning issue if it presented correctly and to the right population groups. Emotional arguments are the basis of much voting.
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In a similar vein:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...809_story.html

This campaign manager argues that gun control can be winning issue if it presented correctly and to the right population groups. Emotional arguments are the basis of much voting.
It's all in the spin.
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This campaign manager argues that gun control can be winning issue if it presented correctly and to the right population groups.
To be honest, I don't think gun control really had much to do with that. McAuliffe didn't win so much as Cuccinelli lost. Neither was an appealing candidate; McAuliffe was just a little...less unappealing.
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If Feinstein, Schumer and others that automatically add a toxic tone to the discussion stay silent this might have the potential to become more of a problem.

Just my thoughts.
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Hmmm, the guy in the Post story had a candidate who eked out a 165 vote win, which is currently subject to recount - and he did so in an election where every other up-ballot D candidate won by a larger margin and he thinks this is evidence that gun control is a winner?
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Old December 4, 2013, 10:33 AM   #13
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What's the gist of the bill?
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What's the gist of the bill?
That's actually a dangerous question to ask, since the devil is in the details with things like this. Terse summaries can be very misleading. For example, the official summary for HR 1565 is,

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To protect Second Amendment rights, ensure that all individuals who should be prohibited from buying a firearm are listed in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, and provide a responsible and consistent background check process.
Let's not forget that the 10-year ban on so-called assault weapons was titled as the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act. Put it that way, and it sounds harmless, right?

HR 1565 is meant to be a friendlier-sounding version of S 649, which was the failed Senate bill mandating universal background checks. While HR 1565 claims to exempt private and temporary transfers, that language can be easily yanked out at the last minute. There are plenty of legislators who plan to do just that.

So, tl;dr: this is a potentially awful bill dressed up as a unicorn princess with low moral standards.
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Another politico article that says Gun control advocates aren't getting much.

Playing around with plastic guns is their best bet.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...612.html?hp=r7
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Assuming House Speaker Boehner invokes the Hastert rule of refusing to bring a bill to the floor unless it is supported by the majority of the majority, this one is dead in the water.

Better keep an eye on it anyway.
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H. R. 1565 "The Public Safety and Second Amendment Protection Act."
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Let's not forget that the 10-year ban on so-called assault weapons was titled as the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act. Put it that way, and it sounds harmless, right?
I just love how some of the worst laws to hit this country misrepresent the actual law "BY NAME". Even to name some of them could divert the thread topic, so enough said on the point. Misrepresentation by misnaming is misleading. It likely will never change though.

As far timing goes, I would much rather see it now. With the support for the current administration in a nose-dive It's likely dead in the water. IMHO it is much easier to sell the " on the fence" law when things are on the uptick, support can be had more easily, and "Joe Public" has the alarm on snooze.
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They have not even gotten all 200 of the Democrats in the House to co-sponsor the bill.
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Wow

Not a shock that these lawmakers want to pass new laws from behind their desks....this is whats wrong with the lawmakers these days...they should ask for the help of law abiding gun owners and sportsman alike before they turn this country into anything but free
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Yeah the usual suspects are listed, no new surprises here.
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