The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > Hogan's Alley > Handguns: The Revolver Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old January 13, 2020, 01:54 PM   #1
riffraff
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 21, 2016
Posts: 553
Old revolver, what is this?

Discovered by a friend in a family hoarder house, has no SN and just looks old. Haven't put my hands on it just got a couple pics. Any idea what this is? Thx
Attached Images
File Type: jpg oldrev2.jpg (95.6 KB, 280 views)
File Type: jpg oldrev1.jpg (108.6 KB, 190 views)
riffraff is offline  
Old January 13, 2020, 02:01 PM   #2
T. O'Heir
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 13, 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 11,777
That's probably an IJ or H&R. Mind you, everybody and his brother made revolvers like that in the later 19th Century. There should be some kind of marking on the barrel.
And 'old' doesn't mean 'valuable'.
Serial numbers were not required until 1968.
__________________
Spelling and grammar count!
T. O'Heir is offline  
Old January 13, 2020, 02:08 PM   #3
Carmady
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 26, 2013
Location: on the lam
Posts: 1,353
H&R going by the target/bullseye logo on the grips.
Carmady is offline  
Old January 13, 2020, 02:13 PM   #4
Pahoo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 16, 2006
Location: IOWA
Posts: 7,782
A ghost from the past.

Quote:
Any idea what this is?
Strange that you should post this picture and certainly am not an expert but recently acquired a piece similar to this one and it is a Forehand&Wasdsworth. Look along top of the barrel rib and well as the bottom of the butt grip. Mine information was hard to read, does list a S/N but no caliber. I Understand that the configuration of the trigger guard is a Smith design which other copied. Finally figured out that it is a .38-S&W. If you can, pull the grips and see what type of hammer spring, it has. …….

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/849075853

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6zkZQEFU08

Be Safe !!!
__________________
'Fundamental truths' are easy to recognize because they are verified daily through simple observation and thus, require no testing.

Last edited by Pahoo; January 13, 2020 at 02:56 PM.
Pahoo is offline  
Old January 13, 2020, 03:01 PM   #5
riffraff
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 21, 2016
Posts: 553
Good stuff guys, thanks.

The non gun person I talked through it (starting with "is it loaded" , "lets check") said first it looks like a .22 then that bore appears to be 10mm .. so I was thinking .38.
riffraff is offline  
Old January 13, 2020, 03:18 PM   #6
ligonierbill
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 20, 2007
Posts: 1,669
Five shot cylinder? Carmady has the logo right. Guessing 38 S&W, not to be confused with 38 Special.
ligonierbill is online now  
Old January 13, 2020, 04:30 PM   #7
l.cutler
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 18, 2005
Posts: 243
Most of these are .32 caliber.
l.cutler is offline  
Old January 13, 2020, 04:55 PM   #8
shurshot
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 25, 2006
Posts: 1,293
My guess is an H&R Premier. I have one in .32 S&W, appears almost identical except the nickel finish on mine is in better condition and mine has an exposed hammer. Owned it since I was 11 or 12. Late 30's / early 1940's era revolvers.
shurshot is offline  
Old January 13, 2020, 07:44 PM   #9
Pahoo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 16, 2006
Location: IOWA
Posts: 7,782
Quote:
so I was thinking .38
As I replied previously, mine has no caliber markings, that I can find. I took a .38 SPL and inserted it until it bottomed out and was unable to insert it completely. The diameter was right on, for a .38. I read that these were either .32 or 38-S&W. Also read that these were the CCW's of their time. That is why see mostly short barrels, nickeled and DA or bobbed hammers. Some were issued to LEO's and Military. ……

Now then, kindly tell us what you might have read along the top of the barrel.
You should also see matching S/N's on various parts, especially the cylinder.

Be Safe !!!
__________________
'Fundamental truths' are easy to recognize because they are verified daily through simple observation and thus, require no testing.

Last edited by Pahoo; January 15, 2020 at 07:34 PM.
Pahoo is offline  
Old January 13, 2020, 07:47 PM   #10
4V50 Gary
Staff
 
Join Date: November 2, 1998
Location: Colorado
Posts: 20,583
probably 32 S&W short. I think Midway has ammo for it.
__________________
Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. Molon Labe!
4V50 Gary is offline  
Old January 13, 2020, 08:11 PM   #11
Hawg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 8, 2007
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 15,169
I believe that's an H&R Safety Hammerless. If a 38 special will fit til it bottoms out it's a .38 S&W.
Hawg is offline  
Old January 13, 2020, 10:23 PM   #12
Carmady
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 26, 2013
Location: on the lam
Posts: 1,353
I think that's an old black powder gun because there's no (that I could see) caliber stamped on the left side of the barrel, and it should NOT be used with smokeless powder cartridges.

Reliable sources state that the old H&R's which do not have the caliber marked on the left side of the barrel are black powder guns, and that those which do have the caliber marked on the left side of the barrel are made for smokeless powder cartridges.
Carmady is offline  
Old January 13, 2020, 10:23 PM   #13
Mal H
Staff
 
Join Date: March 20, 1999
Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia
Posts: 16,129
Pahoo - please be patient. riffraff said he only had the two images to go on. Until he can eyeball it directly, he won't be able to answer your questions no matter how large a font you use.
Mal H is offline  
Old January 13, 2020, 10:58 PM   #14
Jim Watson
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 25, 2001
Location: Alabama
Posts: 15,934
Pretty sure an H&R Hammerless .38 (.38 S&W.)
It isn't beat up, just rusty.

In the absence of markings, there is no way to determine its age, the model looks the same in 1901 Sears and 1939 Stoegers.
Jim Watson is offline  
Old January 13, 2020, 11:23 PM   #15
riffraff
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 21, 2016
Posts: 553
Thanks again guys!

I will request a hard look for any more markings. Originally was told there is none. Unfortunately it will be a month before I'm where the pistol is, so if I don't get anything further via phone & pictures going to need to wait until I can look up close.
riffraff is offline  
Old January 14, 2020, 12:54 AM   #16
Driftwood Johnson
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 3, 2014
Location: Land of the Pilgrims
Posts: 1,864
Howdy

It is not an Iver Johnson.

Iver Johnsons had a little owl on the grips.

The little owl faced forward on the older Black Powder Iver Johnsons.





The little owl faced backwards on the later Smokeless models.

Driftwood Johnson is offline  
Old January 14, 2020, 07:59 AM   #17
jar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 8, 2001
Location: Deep South Texas
Posts: 1,215
Quote:
Originally Posted by Driftwood Johnson View Post
Howdy

It is not an Iver Johnson.

Iver Johnsons had a little owl on the grips.

The little owl faced forward on the older Black Powder Iver Johnsons.





The little owl faced backwards on the later Smokeless models.

Remember that about the easiest thing to modify is the grips. Don't use the grips to determine black or smokeless powder rather look at the cylinder stops. The smokeless powder models will have a positive cylinder stop, the small rectangular slot.
__________________
To be vintage it's gotta be older than me!
jar is offline  
Old January 14, 2020, 09:57 PM   #18
Driftwood Johnson
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 3, 2014
Location: Land of the Pilgrims
Posts: 1,864
The other way to tell if an Iver Johnson is a Black Powder model or the later Smokeless model is to remove the grips. Whatever they look like.

The early Black Powder models had a flat, leaf type hammer spring.

The hammer spring in the Smokeless models was a coil spring.

Easy enough to determine no matter what the grips look like.
Driftwood Johnson is offline  
Old January 14, 2020, 10:08 PM   #19
Jim Watson
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 25, 2001
Location: Alabama
Posts: 15,934
H&R seems to have used full stop notches throughout.
Jim Watson is offline  
Old January 15, 2020, 12:08 AM   #20
riffraff
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 21, 2016
Posts: 553
Well this explains it ..
Attached Images
File Type: jpeg f_k5eugkvp0.jpeg (168.7 KB, 57 views)
riffraff is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2018 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.07353 seconds with 10 queries