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October 31, 2017, 02:32 PM | #26 |
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Mark Chapman killing Lennon for sure changed the world
great artist often have a revival in old age, and Lennon is one of the biggest talents from arguably the most influental band ever. look at Johny Cash's last 4 albums, we missed those albums with Lennon just look at what crap McCarthy did after the Beatles, nothing of particular weight, a reunion would have been sweet |
October 31, 2017, 05:01 PM | #27 |
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Mustafa Ashu
Shot the King of Jordan in 1951. Said king was likely to make peace with Israel. Thus, shot as a prime minister was. That short circuited peace early on in the Middle East and fear of assassination in 1967 led King Hussein to join Nasser in the 6 Day war. That led to occupation of the West Bank and all the crap after that.
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October 31, 2017, 11:25 PM | #28 |
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I have a "Which came first,the chicken or the egg?" question.
I hesitate to give some of these coward assassins that much credit. Its not the assassin that changed the world . They killed ,in some cases,people who were changing the world. For example,John Wilkes Booth was a nothing. Dime a dozen . He's still a nothing. Abraham Lincoln was significant to the world. Don't honor Booth with Lincolns achievements. Its not Booth that mattered. It was the death of Lincoln. Vandals might destroy a Veterans grave yard or a work of art or a natural wonder. Its not the vandal that we should remember. |
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November 1, 2017, 10:33 AM | #31 | |
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The Ottoman Empire allied with the Germans in WW1. There is a reasonably good two part documentary on youtube...it might be PBS or History...on Lawrence of Arabia. That story has a great deal to do with the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire. Quid pro quo promises were made to the Arab people who fought the Ottoman. "You may have the land from...." A problem: France took issue with the Brits giving the land to anyone. France claimed it.Promise broken. (Loosely)A Frenchman named Picot went in a room with a Brit named Sykes and they drew lines all over the map of the Middle East making up nations. The Picot/Sykes Agreement...or Sykes /Picot...(It IS the French and the Brits,after all...) You might look that one up,too. Which is one important part of the story...But its not the whole story. Further discussion is likely to be controversial. I doubt the Moderators want us to go there. |
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November 1, 2017, 11:09 AM | #32 |
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We don't have to reply the entire historical chains. We could discuss why the British decision to deny Turkey new dreadnoughts led them to join Germany, blah, blah.
Just a person who started a chain of events is good enough.
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However, IIRC some historians consider this to have been a dog-and-pony show intended to scapegoat some irksome political dissidents while distracting the citizenry from the government's failure to protect their king at one of the holiest sites in Islam (he was killed on the steps of the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem). Since Ashu was killed by the king's bodyguards at the scene, the truth will probably never be known. One key fact about this assassination is that Hussein, then 15 years old, was standing next to his grandfather King Abdullah I at the time and was also shot by Ashu, but the bullet was deflected by a medal he was wearing over his heart, most likely saving his life. This is generally seen as a major factor leading to Hussein's fear of assassination and his wariness of being perceived as an Israeli sycophant. IMHO another good nominee is Yigal Amir, the Israeli student who shot and killed Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin in 1995. Despite being on opposing sides, Amir and Ashu have several interesting things in common:
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November 1, 2017, 07:02 PM | #34 |
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Leon Czolgosz killed William Mckinley in 1901 and the most interesting man who ever served as President took office.
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November 1, 2017, 08:06 PM | #35 |
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No, no! Chester Arthur became president after Garfield was killed.
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I'm surprised I have not seen reference to the Stockton school shootings?
"Stockton shooting helped prompt a heated national debate about gun control, culminating in a landmark, 10-year federal ban on assault weapons, which expired in 2004. A shock to the national psyche, the schoolyard shootings and the testimony of Stockton officials, including then-Mayor Barbara Fass, first served as an emotional springboard to broad gun-control legislation in California before Congress approved its assault weapon ban in 1994." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...peats/2043297/ Last edited by Powermwt; November 1, 2017 at 09:37 PM. |
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The assassination was a perfect excuse, but the war was inevitable. So I have to respectfully disagree that the Archduke's death changed much. |
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November 5, 2017, 05:04 PM | #38 |
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The Lennon killing is way overrated.
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November 5, 2017, 10:26 PM | #39 |
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I think the Lennon killing was insignificant outside of his fan base.
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If only a single bullet had ended Hitler's life in WWI...
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the same political movements where in place with or without him what would the Soviets have done under an equally homicidal maniac without a war started by ze germans? Mussolini to, Franco not staying in Spain |
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Media/entertainment matters, and Lennon is the utmost echelon of "popstars" and had a social impact |
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