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Old January 15, 2022, 08:48 AM   #1
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New to Me S&W Model 25

I won this one on and Internet Auction a few nights ago. I should have it shortly. It appears the only negative is the grips/stocks. It was shipped from the S&W Factory in June of 1961.

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Old January 15, 2022, 08:52 AM   #2
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Very nice! Assuming .45 ACP and not .45 Colt given the gap between the cylinder and the recoil shield.
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Old January 15, 2022, 10:18 AM   #3
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Not original stocks but they are an indication that the original owner was a target shooter.
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Old January 15, 2022, 10:58 AM   #4
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It has been my understanding that S&W did not chamber the 45 Colt cartridge until the introduction of the Model 25-5.

This gun, shipped from the factory in 1961, would have to be a 45 ACP/45 AR. In collector parlance would be called a pre-Model 25 as model numbers weren't introduced until 1967-1968.

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Old January 15, 2022, 11:17 AM   #5
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IIRC S&W went to model numbers in 1957, at least that's what I've seen in numerous sources over the decades.
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Old January 15, 2022, 11:18 AM   #6
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Model numbers started in 1957, it should be marked as a Model 25-1, or 25-2.
The two I owned were very accurate.
Beautiful old S&W, I hope you have a lot of fun shooting it.
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Old January 15, 2022, 12:34 PM   #7
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Thanks for all the nice and informative comments. Yes, it is in .45 ACP caliber. Below is another picture which should indicate it is an early 4 screw. I have read some of these target models were slow movers (sales) by S&W. I also have a Pre-Model 26 that was shipped from the factory on May 17, 1957. I will probably not receive this one until late next week.
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Old January 15, 2022, 01:06 PM   #8
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Something different for a change! Congratulations. Put that left hand in your back pocket and slow fire your way to ragged cloverleafs!
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Old January 15, 2022, 02:03 PM   #9
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Sweet gun, I had one years ago and a pile of auto rim brass. A little bit hard to find these days. I think it will, hope it will become easier to get. I have a 625 that likes it.
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Old January 15, 2022, 05:36 PM   #10
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SWEET...REALLY SWEET...take this to the bank: any, ANY good 200 gr. LSWC, H&G #68 look a like, with 5.1 gr of 231 will really tickle your fancy! Very rare to find one in that condition...shoot it...and for gosh sakes, report back!! Disregard any and all comments about shallow rifling not suitable for cast lead alloy bullets...it'll do fine....too...Starline will ship you .45 Auto-Rim cases in bulk.

I shot mine yesterday, with 75 yo eyes doing the steering and easily got 1" gps at 10-12 yds from a two-handed Weaver stance...you should be able to do better. Mine, BTW, is a Ca ~1970, version of the same gun.

Congrats on an excellent find. Rod
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Old January 15, 2022, 05:57 PM   #11
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Nice! A pre-Bangor Punta S&W.
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Old January 16, 2022, 12:32 AM   #12
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I’ve got 2 m25-2 6.5” 45acp, 2 m25-5 45Colt and 1 m25-3 that is also a 45Colt NIB, Anniversary model. If a 25 has even dash it’s 45acp, odd dash 45 Colt.


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Old January 16, 2022, 09:11 AM   #13
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Whoops. Missed the "shipped 1961 statement."

Yep, too early for .45 Colt.

"In collector parlance would be called a pre-Model 25 as model numbers weren't introduced until 1967-1968."

Model numbers were introduced starting in 1957.
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Old January 16, 2022, 10:02 AM   #14
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Not original stocks but they are an indication that the original owner was a target shooter.
The front sight is indicative of a target gun also.
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Old January 16, 2022, 10:08 AM   #15
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I’ve never seen a m25-2 or earlier with anything but Patridge blade front. They are pinned in so they could be changed.
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Old January 16, 2022, 10:35 AM   #16
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A guy here showed me his 1955. He said when he started target shooting, he could not afford an accurized 1911, so he bought the revolver and shot his way into Master.
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Old January 16, 2022, 11:18 AM   #17
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I like that target grip, unless it's left handed!
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Old January 16, 2022, 12:13 PM   #18
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I’ve never seen a m25-2 or earlier with anything but Patridge blade front. They are pinned in so they could be changed.
Yes... those Patridge front sights were hell on leather holsters, but being on target guns, were likely carried mainly in pistol cases, not holsters.
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Old January 16, 2022, 12:54 PM   #19
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Must be Herrett's stocks? Don't know that the demand for revolver target stocks will ever be very high, but now that Herrett's is no more, someone might fancy them.
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Old January 17, 2022, 02:35 PM   #20
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I have always hated ramp fronts, worse is ramp with red insert. Ramp was to enhance draw.
Red insert was for cops who might have to shoot in poor light. They are wonderful for their intended purpose. To me it doesn’t give a well defined sight picture. The blue always leaves shine on top of sight. Flo colors don’t agree with my lookers, again not distinct sharp picture.
Back in 60s, S&W offered several options on front blades. Today some of these blades will sell for $50 used.
I have Patridge sights on most of my S&Ws. I buy or make holsters that have a hard piece sewn in for sight track. A traditional holster sewn over/ one sided isn’t good idea. Neither is putting a thousand dollar pistol in a $11 dollar holster. I go for lined models.
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Old January 17, 2022, 09:45 PM   #21
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My 25-2 has two cylinders. One chambered for 45 ACP / Moon clips and the other 45 Colt. It's extraordinarily accurate in either caliber.

I favor the 45 Colt cylinder. I bought it new in the early 1980's. The dealer had several like this. Someone told me that based on the serial number it was made around 1979 - 1980.
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Old January 18, 2022, 09:54 AM   #22
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I think the first .45 Colt M25 was a commemorative, called 25-3, and it used the same short cylinder length as the ACP version, but it couldn't chamber longer .45 Colt rounds, so the production models had a longer cylinder, like the 29 and 57.
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Old January 18, 2022, 10:24 AM   #23
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I have both the 25-2 and the 25-3 (pictured) in .45 Colt. Either will chamber any 45 Colt round that is loaded to SAAMI OAL specs. The cylinder length is about .125" longer than my favorite handload which is found in the latest edition of the Lyman reload manual using a 250 grain lead SWC round nose over Unique powder at 1.570" OAL. The only load longer than that in the manual is the Keith 255 Gr SWC at 1.575" OAL. It also fits with .120" to spare.

So what you are doing is perpetuating an unfounded myth.
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Old January 20, 2022, 02:05 PM   #24
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There were some early production pre model 25’s chambered in 45 colt.
Also, there was the scarce model 25-1 in 45 ACP as well as a 25-4 in 45 colt (Deluxe Anniversary Edition).

As RoyceP pointed out, there was a very short run of 25’s with both ACP and Colt cylinders. BTW, your serial number dates to 1977/78.

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Old January 20, 2022, 06:12 PM   #25
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The S&W Historian, Roy Jinks, informed me per the serial number it was shipped in June of 1961.

It is supposed to be delivered to me tomorrow (Jan. 21), and I will note back here on a detailed description of any further stampings on the frame cylinder cut out and on the right side of the barrel. Due to recent happenings in the USA, I just hope FedEx gets it to me in the shipment from Georgia to Alabama.

Hopefully, it will not ship through California.
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